Teaching at a CAMP program???

Posted by: Ronin1966

Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/08/06 11:31 AM

Hello:

I was curious if other members had ever taught their arts in a summer camp environment? I was having a cnversation with a friend (on another site ) and she wasn't sure what to think... of the potential idea/job.

Have you ever taught in that environment> If so what was your experience about??? Pro's, cons... differences between typical classes and the summer camp routine? If not, what would you think might be altered by necessity or circumstance?

Thoughts, I will pass them along...
J
Posted by: ToddR

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/08/06 01:18 PM

I've never taught at a summer camp but I did attend Rick Faye's Wisconsin Camp a couple years ago and would be glad to describe the experience if you're interested.
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/09/06 10:08 AM

Hello ToddR:

I would enjoy hearing what your experience, your perspectives concerning what martial arts instruction is while attending/instructing a summer camp. Hopefully others will chime in as well, offer their perspectives, experiences likewise... whether as students or instructors in a camp setting.

J
Posted by: ToddR

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/09/06 10:40 AM

The camp itself was extremely well-run. I believe Rick Faye has been holding this camp for over a decade so he and his assistant instructors from the Minnesota Kali Group (www.mnkali.com) have the whole thing down to a science.

You had the option to start the day early by going for a 3-mile run with the Seattle instructor, Andy Wilson from www.mkgseattle.com) or attending a yoga class with the fiance of one of Rick Faye's assistant instructors.

Then breakfast, followed by the morning workout. The topics varied from kali stick and dagger, kali double stick, muay thai, savate, panantukan, trapping, boxing, grappling, and perhaps a couple others I'm forgetting. Rick Faye, for those of you who don't know, is a full instructor under Guro Dan Inosanto, so his is a JKD school that bases its curriculum on the filipino arts with a wide variety of arts added to the base.

The sessions were three a day for about 2 1/2 to 3 hours each and went something like this:
Morning Session: 9 to 12
Afternoon Session: 2 to 5
Evening Session: 7 to 9:30/10:00

And, each, as I mentioned, covered a different topic or set of topics.

The camp was a good experience and the only downside was that I was very new to Kali and most of the other arts, particularly the kali stick and dagger routines called 'Numerado' and 'Sombrada' (I'm sure I'm misspelling those), and a lot of the weekend was spent working on kali, so I found myself getting frustrated during those sessions. The other sessions on grappling, boxing, and to a lesser degree muay thai and panantukan were more enjoyable because I had been working on those areas pretty diligently for the previous 6 months.

It was a lot like an extended seminar where you're getting a ton of material thrown at you and most of it is pretty advanced due to the high experience level of the people attending. I was one of the least experienced people there, though there were a couple other newbies I trained with. Most people there were senior students or instructors who had their own schools--people came from Germany, the UK, and all over the States.

A great group of people, though, and EVERYONE was extremely patient with me and very helpful.

My experience at the camp led me to this (brilliant!) conclusion: seminars and intensive training sessions like the Wisconsin Camp are great ways to immerse yourself in your martial art but if you're new to the art(s) (say, less than a solid year of hard training) then it's very easy to get overwhelmed by the advanced material and start to feel frustrated. At that point in one's training my personal feeling is that the best thing for you is to focus on training at your local school and working HARD on the basics. After you've been in the art for a year or two you'll benefit more from the seminars and camps.

Although, I realize it's important to attend these types of seminars if only to expose yourself to the unbelieveable talents of martial artists such as Dan Inosanto and Rick Faye. However, it felt a bit like starting college at age 14 - too much, too soon.

Hope this information was helpful.
Cheers.
ToddR
Posted by: Ed_Morris

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/09/06 11:06 PM

wow...now THAT sounds like a great time. I was going to mention that I did actually host a 5-day camp for kids in Japan a few years ago. One interesting spin I put on it is that during classes, I refused to speak or let kids speak Japanese...it was all in English as part of the exercise. lol It was fun.

sorry, to drift the topic off...it was a good memory for me and the thread reminded me of it.

back on topic with the adult MA training camps...
Posted by: Borrek

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/10/06 12:39 AM

Quote:

Hello:

I was curious if other members had ever taught their arts in a summer camp environment? I was having a cnversation with a friend (on another site ) and she wasn't sure what to think... of the potential idea/job.

Have you ever taught in that environment> If so what was your experience about??? Pro's, cons... differences between typical classes and the summer camp routine? If not, what would you think might be altered by necessity or circumstance?

Thoughts, I will pass them along...
J




Every year our dojo has a summer camp, but it is for the kids classes. The adults show up for escort duty and for a late saturday kata session where were taught something we would otherwise not learn for a while.

The main focus is on fun and socialization since we have 4 separate dojos. The camp is a 2 and a half day event that is full of sparring, kata, and other "budo" games. We split the kids into around 6 teams of roughly equal abilities and face them off in games of kobudo pinata, capture the flag kumite etc.

Outside of martial arts activities we do the normal summer camp stuff like hiking, obstacle courses, swimming, and campfires.

It can be difficult to wrangle so many rowdy kids all at once but there is usually at least 8-10 kuro-obi present to keep things running smoothly.

The overall demeanor is much more relaxed than regular class so its a nice break from etiquette and hard core karate.

I guess the feasibility depends on your goal. Do you want to have a "karate vacation" or a hard core training experience that will be burned in muscle memory?
Posted by: ToddR

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/10/06 02:12 PM

I think this question is on-topic but please forgive me if it's not and I'll start a new thread. On the subject of martial arts camps, is anyone aware of any BJJ/grappling camps in the Philly/NJ/NY/Baltimore/DC areas?

More on topic--if anyone has taught or attended such a camp I'd be interested in your experience/recommendations/etc.

Thanks very much.
Todd R
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/15/06 09:26 AM

Hello Borreck:
<<and other "budo" games.



<<kobudo pinata, capture the flag kumite etc.

Love the sound of the first two... any idea what some of the other "etc." would be specifically? She's definately leaning toward the idea...

<<It can be difficult to wrangle so many rowdy kids all at once

You mean more so than any normal "group kids" classes Outside at least the echos of their screams, and sillyness won't bother anybody...

<<but there is usually at least 8-10 kuro-obi present to keep things running smoothly.

What's the ratio kuro-obi to "monkeys" (sic. kids)???

<<I guess the feasibility depends on your goal.

I'll have to ask the lady see which concept is more in line. I'd imagine the former, with some ~sneaky training~ embedded within

J
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/15/06 09:34 AM

Hello Ed:

In point of fact, she was looking specificly for KIDS camps, the whats, hows, etc. but wanted whatever I was able to find regardless...

Reagrdless It's not ~off topic~ at all... it was a camp was it not??? You were in Japan hosting Japanese children an art of their ~heritage~ no less and required them to use English...... during classes ooooowch! (I love it...)
Always thought something done in COMPLETE silence for a day, or two might be productive/wild... can't conceive it with young ones but liked the concept anyway...

J
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/15/06 09:42 AM

Hello ToddR:

Thank you... that was exactly the type/kind of material she seems to have been seeking.

<<seminars and intensive training sessions are great ways to immerse yourself but if you're new it's very easy to get overwhelmed

To enter each "class" you must either know the "secret" handshake for that ~room of the temple~ or clearly must challenge the "door keeper" (sic. monk)... never watched much Saterday Afternoon Kung-Fu Theater on TV did you ?

Would I be correct that the camp was specifically geared towards ADULTS, not the pre-teen youth crowd??? Grateful for the link provided, I'll check it and pass it along....

Grateful for you efforts & time that was wonderful,
J
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/15/06 10:10 AM

Hello Todd:

I checked the link you gave... unfortunately there is no ~good detail~ about the camp that I could find there. Thank you again for YOUR description!!!!


J
Posted by: Ed_Morris

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/15/06 12:06 PM

yes, I planned and hosted the activities. about 35 kids (ages 6-10). I even made up t-shirts and 'diplomas'. I broke up the day in sections of activities. The overall theme was learning/using practical English without using any textbooks.
I planned each day with a basic framework of:
at Breakfast - while informally teaching English common words/phrases in the AM.

After breakfast, stretching while learning names of parts of the body.

morning hike, light jog, then short sprint and cooldown walk (about 1 km) - using english for things in nature. along the way, testing them by pointing to a tree or something and asking 'Whats that?'...etc We came along some dog crap in the road and my wise-ass son jokingly yells 'Whats THAT!' my other son yells 'It's Poop!'. so I had to listen to 30 Japanese kids answering 'It's poop' to everything over and over while giggling for the rest of the hike. be prepared for your activities to be hijacked, and have backup plans.

short break.
activity - sport practice (not game). how to pitch, throw a frisbee, catch a football, etc. focus was on improving 1 thing.
(I did this part military style, lined up, two at a time and kept the line moving fast)

lunch
MA practice (non sparring basics). depending on the day: boxing, GojuRyu, impact pad drills, 2-person 'push-hands' and balance games....etc

break

various craft/science activities. Showed the 'secrets' behind some magic tricks. experimenting with different size straws and paper for the best accuracy, speed and distance for spitballs. how to make cool sounds using your body or everyday objects. etc kids love weird stuff.

dinner
relax, marshmellows and stories (in english or japanese was ok).

at the end of the 5-day camp, I did a treasure-hunt game with a hints in English and they had to follow the instructions to get to the 'treasure' (candy and $1 gold US dollar coin...at the time, those were fairly new and they had never seen one- they thought it was a real gold coin worth thousands lol).

then laser-printed diplomas of 'English Camp'.

It was alot of fun. my advice: just keep the kids moving and active. plan what you'll do ahead of time with backup activities and avoid too much 'down time' till the end of day.
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/24/06 06:16 PM

Teaching in a camp setting...

Does one wear the formal uniform? Or something comfortable, far more common and weather appropriate? Inside will be a serious difference from outside instruction... particularly in warm climates.

J
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 02/27/06 10:23 AM

Nobody else has any experience teaching their respective art/arts whether in a day camp setting (preferably) or at an overnight camp?



J (disappointed...)
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 05/14/07 11:15 AM

Hello:

It will soon be summer again, I thought I would make another attempt see what experiences members, visitors might have acquired re: teaching martial arts in a summer camp setting....? Whether as a day camp situation... an overnight camp...

[not especially seeking teaching at an exclusively martial arts camp-program per se, but I suppose if that is the exclusive experience someone had ]

Teaching experiences in a camp setting... anybody?

Jeff
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 05/18/07 11:19 AM

Nobody has taught a martial arts program at a summer camp (sic. not designed AS a martial arts summer camp specifically)

Jeff
Posted by: WuXing

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 05/18/07 03:24 PM

I assisted teaching in a summer camp program at the YMCA a long time ago. It wasn't specifically a martial arts camp, it was just one of the activities for the kids taking part in the daycare camp. My sensei hosted it. Some of the kids from the dojo participated in it, too. I think that helped to keep the other camp kids in line, with peer pressure. They see that their friends are disciplined, so they tend to behave better. I think we did basics, punching, kicking and blocking, and maybe taught fukyugata ichi. It was only one or two weeks long, during the weekdays, and we had them for an hour or less each day, so not a lot of investment. We did some demonstrations for the kids on the last day, of board breaking and advanced kata and weapons.
Posted by: tkd_high_green

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 05/18/07 04:37 PM

The closest experience I've had was as part of a barbecue training day that we had at our school last year. The first four hours were different seminars, then afterwards, barbecue and games. The only real difference is that we tried to do things that we wouldn't normally do in class, and with a lighter atmosphere. We also tried not to do anything that would cause grass stains on our white uniforms.

With the kids, we did things like having them see who could do their pattern the fastest or slowest, or having them try to hit a sparring glove that they had thrown in the air with a spin hook kick, etc.

The trick is to just have fun.

Laura
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 05/25/07 11:21 AM

Hello WuXing:

Thank you for your wonderful contribution! Discipline in an outdoor environment, with complete beginners... all under the age of 15

It is definately one of the concerns...

Jeff
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 05/25/07 11:34 AM

Hello Laura:

Ribs, chicken, turkey burgers

A certain quality of discipline needs maintained (ie safety, safety, and then safety). But outdoors, huge gaggles of beginner children... I don't know.

I was hoping for some "experienced" voices of folks who had done this kind of program many times previously... factors to consider I might have missed, not realized... that should be factored in?

Fun that's heresay... 10,000 straight punches for you young lady .

Jeff
Posted by: WuXing

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 05/26/07 09:03 PM

There are so many variables...like how many kids are you expecting to have at once? Are all ages lumped together? under 15 is a pretty broad spectrum...what's the youngest? If it's all pre-teens and teens, you will have a much different approach than for younger children. Do the kids you get have a choice in participating, or are they forced to be there?
Also, you can't be teaching them anything too dangerous. (And what are the rules/laws in place? waivers signed by parents?) You probably don't want any contact until you're sure they're ready for that. how often will you have them, and for how long? What is the camp expecting from you?
teach them to punch and kick? Teach them self defense techniques? just keep them occupied for a while while the counselors take a break? *lol*

In general, you need to keep them moving, and make things fun somehow. Unless it's a military camp, lining them up and making them walk back and forth punching to a count probably won't cut it. Then again, maybe that's what the camp wants, if they are using martial arts because it is said to teach discipline.

The real question is, what do you and the camp want to give the kids who are participating? That would guide my decisions about how to proceed
Posted by: Greenknight83

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 08/12/07 02:23 PM

The school I go to has a "day" camp. Where kids come in for a day. It runs for about three hours, an hour of training some crafts, some yoga. Although I'm not sure how much the yoga they will get out of it. Would like to hear more about that camp in wisconsin, since I live in wisconsin.
Posted by: Ronin1966

Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 05/22/08 03:41 PM

Hello:

New year, new members, a new visitor to the site or two.... (ie small twist to the original question). Has anyone recently TAUGHT martial arts at a NON martial arts camp??? Meaning your art/practice is merely one of the many activities done by the camp...

What was your experience like??? Pro's, cons... differences between ~typical classes~ and the summer camp routine? If not, what would you think might be altered by necessity or circumstance?

Secondary question how did you try and calculate your "asking price"???

Jeff
Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 05/22/08 04:54 PM

Sniff, sniff...
Posted by: TKD_X

Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? - 06/16/08 05:35 PM

well next week, i am, along with some of my family, going to be running a 5 day summer camp program for kids at our dojang. i haven't done it before, but i think it will be a lot of fun.