Posted by: senseilou
Organizations and Politics-A Necessary Evil? - 11/09/04 12:54 AM
First let me say that I belong to 4 different Organizations, so I am not taking a stand one way or the other, just asking a question. I think everyone will agree that the politics in the dojo and in an organization can be awfully trying. I personally hate the politics and am more concerned on what goes on, while on the mat.
However......does being in an organizations offer something versus not being in one? On the other hand, politics usually always follows the Organization, who is top dog, who gets promoted first, what you can say, what you can't and who you do or don't support. I have had Sensei's say there is no room for politics in the martial arts, yet their very organizations have organizational issues.
I just joined an organization that I had been friends with the head of the Organization for years. He shared some things with before, but now that I am in the organization he has supplied me with all his history, archives, made copies of documents and has sent me books and videos. I couldn't ask for a better situation. Not only do I train with him for nothing, he checks with me on a weekly basis to see what he can do to help me in my art, whether its technical information, history or archives.
I belong to another organization that is so involved in politics that I recieve nothing and have to watch what I say and who I say it to. Why I belong is because I was invited and didn't want to disrespect the Sensei who asked. However, I might 'accidently' forget to renew it. Its really a terrible feeling walking on egg shells when around the people in the organization.
When I was in Aikido in the stone age, students in one organization rarely ventured outside their own organization and one organization would not accept rank or Yudansha from the other Organization. I have seen Karate organizations work the same way, staying within their own style and organizations, not inviting in outside instructors, or attending outside tournaments
I think that organizations offer the chance to see more and associate with more people, and helps spread the arts. On the flip side the side effects are really hard to handle. I know of as many dojos that are affliliated with an organization as those who don't, it seems those who are not affliated with an organization are not as "worldly" or aren't exposed to as much as those who belong. Many times the older pioneers are associated with an Organization, and its a chance to learn and talk with them. Most of the comments I have heard about organizations is that the only need for them is to generate money, and that is what drives the arts. I am sure some people do take advantage of the money or the rank. I had one organization offer me a 9th degree if I joined the Organization. I tactfully refused, and told them I only take rank from my Sensei. But I am sure others do take advantage of this. I know of 1 organization that actually sells rank, only rule is you have to make it to 5th Dan, then you can buy whatever you want.This can really lead to pseudo Instructors and less than stellar students. Also some organizations make you pay per each student, and I know of alot of people who dislike that as well.
Its a yin/yang thing again, on one had it can be very useful, on the other a real pain in the butt. I would like to hear what people think about it.
However......does being in an organizations offer something versus not being in one? On the other hand, politics usually always follows the Organization, who is top dog, who gets promoted first, what you can say, what you can't and who you do or don't support. I have had Sensei's say there is no room for politics in the martial arts, yet their very organizations have organizational issues.
I just joined an organization that I had been friends with the head of the Organization for years. He shared some things with before, but now that I am in the organization he has supplied me with all his history, archives, made copies of documents and has sent me books and videos. I couldn't ask for a better situation. Not only do I train with him for nothing, he checks with me on a weekly basis to see what he can do to help me in my art, whether its technical information, history or archives.
I belong to another organization that is so involved in politics that I recieve nothing and have to watch what I say and who I say it to. Why I belong is because I was invited and didn't want to disrespect the Sensei who asked. However, I might 'accidently' forget to renew it. Its really a terrible feeling walking on egg shells when around the people in the organization.
When I was in Aikido in the stone age, students in one organization rarely ventured outside their own organization and one organization would not accept rank or Yudansha from the other Organization. I have seen Karate organizations work the same way, staying within their own style and organizations, not inviting in outside instructors, or attending outside tournaments
I think that organizations offer the chance to see more and associate with more people, and helps spread the arts. On the flip side the side effects are really hard to handle. I know of as many dojos that are affliliated with an organization as those who don't, it seems those who are not affliated with an organization are not as "worldly" or aren't exposed to as much as those who belong. Many times the older pioneers are associated with an Organization, and its a chance to learn and talk with them. Most of the comments I have heard about organizations is that the only need for them is to generate money, and that is what drives the arts. I am sure some people do take advantage of the money or the rank. I had one organization offer me a 9th degree if I joined the Organization. I tactfully refused, and told them I only take rank from my Sensei. But I am sure others do take advantage of this. I know of 1 organization that actually sells rank, only rule is you have to make it to 5th Dan, then you can buy whatever you want.This can really lead to pseudo Instructors and less than stellar students. Also some organizations make you pay per each student, and I know of alot of people who dislike that as well.
Its a yin/yang thing again, on one had it can be very useful, on the other a real pain in the butt. I would like to hear what people think about it.