kondo sensei

bamboo

So essentially your basing YOUR finger-pointing on the works of other people....with almost no first hand experience of your own?

Like I said, less chat and more mat would probably be a better use of time.

I say that because:

A-I have yet to see/hear/read anything from you....other than cryptic statements about you "knowing" stuff.

B-How do any of us know that you have any idea about what your talking about?

C-How are we to determine if you would know "it" if you felt "it."

D-Most importantly--by your OWN story, Takeda himself didn't feel the need to reach "aiki" to anyone big enough--by the standards of Pre-WW1 Japan BTW.

So either your wrong in your posit, or you have put YOURSELF in a postion to pass judgement on Tekada's choices and opinions.

Either way, something is not adding up.

You seem overly invested in showing how "some" people might not have been taught the "stuff."

Which of COURSE, you no doubt personally have been taught "the stuff".

Me?

I could care less about what is essentially a "big johnson contest" between you and other people.

I simply get fed up listening to unsupported claims made by people on-line about the realtive....and largely UNTESTABLE claims BTW, made by people on-line.
It gets tiresome to have to keep reading baseless attacks made at people and entire organizations.

If your getting "contintuous" here....its because YOU brought it here with your unsupported claims and self-negating, weird reasoning.

My suggestion that you stop parroting the works of others and do more training yourself seems to be falling on deaf ears.

Too bad really.

Nope, sorry Chris. Kondo just doesn't have or know it. Really. Aiki guys from other lineages have tuned him at seminars, completely innocently thinking that Kondo had aiki. But he doesn't. Sorry.

And I'm not a master, but I'm not a newbie either. And I have pretty damned good aiki. It came from hard work, but also from excellent instruction and transmission from someone who has it. That's the only way you get it. Kondo wasn't privey to it, for whatever reason.

bamboo

"I have some pretty damend good aiki"

Of COURSE you do dear.

I expected nothing less that claim.

And you can prove this exactly how?

AGAIN, since YOU already claimed that whom got "aiki" was a matter of how big and muscular a person Takeda himself thought you were----by Pre-WW1 Japanese standards I might add, whom "got" aiki seems pretty unimportant to me.

If Takeda didn't think a person needed it......then why should it matter in the slightest what some no name, faceless guy on the web thinks?

That is of course if your ahm..... "reasoning" is to be belived.

I suggest less mouth-waza and more training.

I don't have a problem with more training. In turn, I'd advise you to seek out people who do have "it" and will let you feel it. You could still feel Okomoto's Roppokai aiki if you had the inclination. He does U.S. seminars once or twice a year. Howard Popkin, one of Okomoto Sensei's American students, is registered on this forum. Go feel Okomoto, then go feel Kondo. Then report the difference back here.

bamboo

And of COURSE your in a postion to determine the skills of people training longer than you have probably be alive?

Like I keep saying---IF, your line of ahm......"reasoning" is to be belived then Takeda picked whom to give "aiki" too based on how big and muscular they were--to him, by Pre-WW1 Japanses standards.
If you were big and strong your argueing that you didn't need aiki at all.

So following YOUR LOGIC here, it does not matter in the slighest whom has aiki and whom has not.

Your logic dicates that TAKEDA himself didn't deem it needed for effective use of techniques.

So AGAIN, all you have done is establish that whom has "aiki" is essentially irrelevent---as aiki itself is less important than body type.

BTW, why should I do your legwork?

Its interesting to me that these "my sensei is better than your sensei" threads almost always are started by some no-name part-timer with little mat time with anyone.

Its almost NEVER some name teacher or expert.

And its almost never some offical student of anyone......most of them behave better...and most of the teachers would be mortified that one of his/her students was running doing the whole mouth-waza thing.

I'm pretty sure that Mr. Popkin would be deeply embarressed at your linking your sloppy logic and superious claims with his name.

cxt,
You're justified in being skeptical, but not for being so amazingly rude.

I never said anything about what Takeda thought or didn't think. I was just having what I thought was a hypothetical case/ Aiki is what it is. Without it, jujutsu is perfectly effective, though easier to apply if you're larger and stronger than your opponent. With it applied to jujutsu, it neutralizes the need for superior strength. Takeda did not teach formally in a daily dojo setup, he taught in seminar format, which wouldn't permit a stable and consistent curriculum. He could decide what to teach based on the capabilities of those training with him at any given time. That's all I'm saying.

Also, I never said anything about someone being better than someone else. You are transferring your own insecurities into an objective comment I made about some people having a set of skills called aiki skills, and some people not having them. It doesn't make someone "better" than another, only in possession of a different skill set.

You also are deciding to yourself that I somehow implied that body type dictates who can utilize aiki effectively. I said nothing of the sort, and in fact, if you had read my posts, stated that everyone can benefit from it.

Just go feel someone who has genuine aiki training and will show it, and compare it to descendents of Tokemune and to Kondo. That's all it takes. I make no claims of my own, but the truth is the truth regardless of who is stating it or how credible you deem them to be. It won't go away when I stop talking about it, but it will just not be expressed, and you'll be free to go about your previous beliefs, which seem to grow more distorted by every post.You accuse me of sloppiness, but your misinterpretation and distortion of everything I've written is the penultimate in sloppy.

Instead of looking to "shred the opposition," why don't you put your skepticism where your mouth is and go feel aiki so you know what you're analyzing. Your experience is too narrow, judging from your responses here. There is no shame in going to experience other sources of this skill, and I doubt that Mr. Popkin would disagree with my interpretation of aiki, were we to meet and have a friendly session on the mats or even just a chat session over beers.

I'll leave you to discuss amongst yourselves. Got too much of my own training and testing to do. Take care.

bamboo

And I think your being "amazingly rude" to kick start a topic thread that had been dead for months in order to finger point about whom has "aiki" and whom does not.

Esp when you, yourself presented some highly suspect reasoning about Tekeda using body type to determine whom what taught what.
If you can't follow and be consistant with your OWN logic, then please stop wasteing peoples time.

I have no "insecuriaties" what-so-ever.
That is what is known as "projection" where a person accuses SOMEone ELSE of feelings/thoughts/emotions etc that they PERSONALLY have.
You quite clearly are deeply insecure as to your own skills and training because you spend so much time finger-pointing about a supposed lack in others.

What I do have a problem is AGAIN, is nameless, face-less, e-people finger-pointing as to whom has what.
Esp since we have absolutly no way of knowing if you have any idea what your talking about.

The more so since you already admitted that you were mainly just repeating YOUR impression/interpretation of what other people have said and written.

Case in point, you mention AGAIN, Mr. Popkin...and your essentially speaking for him....asserting what he would and would not say.
I gather that he is able to speak for himself and does not need you to make claims about what he would/would not say.

My guess is that he would be deeply embaressed by your finger-pointing and be rather offended that your using his name, without checking with him, to bolster your posts.

Dude,please please pretty please get a grip, above you say:

"I make no claims of my own"

But BEFORE that you also said:

"I have damned good aiki skills"

See, you can't even keep YOUR OWN story/posts stright, yet here you are passing judgement upon others.

And you wonder why people are "skeptical" of your claims...sheesh

Hello,

I just saw the thread and was a little surprised that my name is all over it. If you have questions about Roppokai. Please contact me directly.

Mr. Bamboosero,

Not too many people have been to my dojo. Please e-mail me.

Thanks,

Howard Popkin
NY Roppokai
popkinbrogna@yahoo.com
www.popkinbrognaselfdefense.com

Mr. Popkin

I'm sure that you have read thu the thread and know that your name was dragged into it and named dropped by somebody else.

Any questions I had were related to that person, their statements and their postions.

I have no doubt that you would answer any questions directly and with aclarity.

For what its worth, allow me to express my sympathy for someone "namedropping" you in the course of fractious discussion.
I hope you understand that nobody here confused you with anything that was said by the other person