Posted by: SouthernTiger
Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? - 10/28/06 04:11 PM
Aikijutsu and Jiu Jutsu were the original unarmed combat systems of the Samurai, and are the two of the oldest unarmed combat systems in Japan. Aikijutsu (or Aikijujutsu) is best known as the parent art of modern day Aikido, which was created after World War II.I don't dare wish to discuss the pros/cons of Akido v. Aikijutsu. I have very little knowledge of either since my MA experience is Uechi-Ryu Karate, and little bit of Southern Tiger Kung Fu, TKD, and Judo many years ago.
I had my first class at
NorthWest Defensive Arts, which actually offers instruction in Aikido & Aikijutsu, as well as Jiu Jutsu, Kobujutsu (weapons arts) and Taihojutsu (arresting arts). This Dojo was founded in 1977. I like their philosophy of the practical application of martial arts and that they emphasize the combat aspects of martial arts.
NWD Arts is affiliated with the Washington Budokan [Sensei Bernie Lau - Icho Ryu Aikijutsu (Police style Aikido)] and the Tacoma Aiki Dojo [Sensei Fujiko Gardner (Aikido)]. However, it is an independent Dojo with no political affiliation or requirement. It is not uncommon for instructors from disciplines other than Aikido/Aikijutsu/Jiujitsu to teach on occasion. The Head Instructor, Sensei Wayne L. Brannon (5th Dan Jiujitsu - 5th Dan Aikido/Aikijutsu) has 30 years of training and experience.
I noticed the NWD Arts Dojo seems to lean more towards Aikijujutsu. So, I'd just would like some input from those that have studied Aikijujutsu.
TIA!
Posted by: Prizewriter
Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? - 10/30/06 12:37 PM
Strongly recommend you go to the Daito Ryu forum about your school.
I have never heard of Ichu Ryu as a authentic sytle of Aikijujutsu.
People on the Daito forum will be able to help you out more though.
You need to be careful when studying Aikijujutsu. Many teachers are simply Aikido senseis with some Ju Jutsu experience behind them. They mesh the two together and call it AikiJujutsu.
Something worth bearing in mind too is that Aikijujutsu is one of the most rigourously regulated arts in the world. According to E-Budo, outside of Japan there are only around 50 teachers of actual Aikijutsu IN THE WHOLE WORLD !
Check with the folks on the Daito Website, you will get a better response there.
Posted by: Prizewriter
Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? - 10/31/06 02:47 PM
I haven't heard too much about him to be honest, but I did take the time to read his bio (in which it specifically mentions Don Agnier, his AikiJujutsu teacher, having studied Daito Ryu).
Daito Ryu AikiJujusu is AikiJuJutsu. They have a seperate forum for it here as Daito Ryu influenced other arts too (such as Hapkido), not just Aikido.
What you refer to as AikiJutsu is correctly called Daito-ryu aiki-jujutsu. See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daito_ryuAgain, would sincerely urge you to post on the Daito Ryu forum, as it is where the Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu san's and sensei's talk about the art, and they will be able to keep you right about your sensei's teachings. As I said before, very few people are allowed to teach Daito Ryu (aikijujutsu). Not saying that your teacher isn't one of those people, but there is nothing on the website, or Mr Lau's bio to indicate that he is a Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu teacher (only that he learnt a little Daito Ryu from Don Agnier.)
Posted by: Neil Yamamoto
Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? - 10/31/06 07:33 PM
To put an end to a discussion and to make corrections about Bernie or his connection to Daito Ryu, here is an old post of mine from E-Budo on the topic.
I’m tied to Bernie Lau’s Icho Ryu as most people know. Bernie named his stuff Icho Ryu Aikijujutsu.
Why? Because given the time period, and his efforts to try and develop something that would not just be branded as more aikido, using aikijujutsu made sense. The techniques were more akin to jujutsu, but there were elements of aiki as Bernie understood it in the curriculum. Bernie’s idea of aiki never fit in with most aikido so with the definitions of the distinctions between ‘Jutsu’ and ‘Do’ that Bernie used, it just fell into place to use aikijujutsu.
There is no tie to DRAJJ or other Japanese schools of AJJ except for Bernie communicating with Takeda Tokimune, a few visitors from Japan who were DRAJJ students, but nothing more than that. Now one of Bernie’s less bright students went about telling every one that there were ties to DRAJJ to try and make himself look good, but it just ain’t true. So, it’s a modern art derived from a Japanese art, created by a French guy, who was adopted by a Chinese family, and who was raised in Hawaii. Real good basis for traditional.
Now how does that impact the little Icho group? Good question. I have long considered what I do as something that doesn’t fit any precise labeling attempt. I’m sure not an aikidoka, (despite Chris Moses deciding to call what we practice at the Bad budo club- “Yamamoto-ha Fluffy Aiki Bunny Ryu) but I’m also influenced by AJJ from Yanagi Ryu courtesy of Don Angier helping me to clarify what I do. I don’t claim to teach Yanagi Ryu, so no smart !!! comments and no contacting me about learning Yanagi Ryu unless you want to be insulted for being stupid.
What Bernie did, and what I’m trying to do, and to my surprise have been somewhat successful at doing, is become what I’ve been called by some of my traditional martial arts peers “A martial artist and teacher who respects tradition while avoiding “blinders” in regards to it.”
Bernie has decided that he likes the idea of calling it Icho Ryu aikibudo more than any thing now. Fine with me, I don’t really care what to call it despite my supposed to be running it. Though not a Japanese traditional art, Bernie kept some of the trappings of Japanese culture because, like another e-budoka says “I like the Japanese thingy.” Cool! Isn’t that why most of us are here?
No, I’m not really continuing a tradition, or even really trying to develop one. I've realized that will happen no matter what I want. All I'm trying to do is honor Bernie by making sure at least a few students learn well and learn to teach well.
I’m not looking to spread the word of Icho with more students personally, except I could use 2 or 3 more to help pay the rent. I’ll even admit to doing what I can to avoid contact by having little tolerance for most people unless referred to me by someone I know well and respect. That has earned me what one well-known aikidoka up here calls “a bad attitude”.
So, whether people want to call what I do JJ or AJJ, or even aikido doesn’t really matter. What I intend to do is say I do jujutsu to people who ask cause it’s easier. My girlfriend tells people I do aikido cause it’s easier for her than to try and explain. I’ll continue to teach and learn with the losers, er I mean, people I like enough to want to train with as friends and students, and not worry about how I’m labeled. Yes, I’ve got a bad attitude as the obi I have with “Ki is crap” and “666” embroidered on it clearly shows.
So, if you are like me, and you fall into this ‘modern,gendai,’ or ‘traditional,koryu’ origins and authenticity discussion, just don’t lie about the history of what you do, and be happy you have something you like doing, and work to be better at it.
Sorry no deep thoughts, but just my little point of view.
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A few addendums to the above.
Prizewriter, Don Angier did not teach Bernie any Daito Ryu since he is not a practictioner of Daito Ryu. They are long time friends and Don helped Bernie to better understand what he was doing from his viewpoint of Yanagi Ryu.
Southern Tiger, I suggest you speak with Wayne and get your history research done prior to posting. Simply reading the article on EJMAS would have answered most of your misunderstanding.
Posted by: harlan
Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? - 10/31/06 07:37 PM
Thank you, Neil, for taking the time to post. Honestly, and clarity are always appreciated.
Posted by: Prizewriter
Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? - 11/01/06 05:34 PM
Listen don't worry, it was a simple misunderstanding. I probably picked up on your post all wrong. I use to be a linguistic student; I still get pedantic flashes now and again!
Don't get put off posting again though. Enjoy your training and hope it works out for you.
Good luck.
Posted by: SenseiNWDA
Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? - 01/06/07 02:12 AM
I was recently told of this post and would like to set the record straight. My name is Wayne L. Brannon and I am the Founder and Head Instructor of Northwest Defensive Arts. First, my credentials. I started in wrestling and competed from age 8 to age 16. I began my martial arts training in Jujutsu and Japanese Weapons arts at age 12 in 1970. My current rank is 5th dan in Jujutsu and 3rd Dan in Weapons. I also trained in Song Moo Kwon Tae Kwon Do from 1974 to 1976 and hold a 2nd Dan in that art. From 1976 to 1979 I competed in Full contact as a Kickboxer and retired with a 16-6-2 (11 KOs) record. From 1982 to 1994 I worked as a Bodyguard, Security Agent, and Bouncer. In 1988 I began my affiliation with both The Tacoma Aiki Dojo and Bernie Lau's Washington Budokan and Icho Ryu Aikijutsu. Upon starting that affiliation I put on a White Belt and worked my way up the ranks to my current rank of 5th Dan. I also trained in Sambo for 1 year and have trained in Kali and Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu but claim no rank.
Now to set the record straight. I do not claim to teach Aikijujutsu, neither Daito Ryu or any other system. If you want me to define what I teach it would be "Modern Combat Tactics based on Ancient Combat Principles". My entire philosophy in martial arts is and has always been one of practicality. Techniques and principles that work in the dojo but not in real life against uncooperative assailants look great but can get you hurt or worse. I do not mean to put anybody's training or system down so please don't take offense to that statement. If you come to my dojo to learn, yes, you will be taught Jujutsu. Yes, you will be taught the sword, staff and knife. I use weapons techniques to teach principles of Ma-ai(distancing), blending and entering skills, and the direct relationship between weapons and empty hand techniques. Yes, you will be taught Icho Ryu Aikijutsu techniques and principles. But... No, you will not recieve rank in Icho Ryu from me at my dojo. To students who earn rank from me, I issue my own certificates of rank the same way I have for almost 30 years. The only person who will issue ranks in Icho Ryu Aikijutsu is Neil Yamamoto, the current head of the system and a person whose friendship I greatly appreciate and whose advice and instruction I will always seek and follow as best I can. Even though I am fast approaching 4 decades in martial arts, I still (and I hope I always will) consider myself a work in progress and I will continue to seek the advice of people I respect.
Sincerely,
Wayne L. Brannon
Northwest Defensive Arts
Posted by: Prizewriter
Re: Any Aikijujutsu stylist here? - 01/09/07 07:17 AM
Good to hear from you and good to have you someone of your experience on the forums. I hope it isn't a sojourn for this thread only!
It sounds like an excellent class. Southern Tiger, glad you enjoy it and keep at it!
All the best to both of you, and sorry if my previous posts seemed harsh. I was simply trying to understand the situation. It has now been resolved by Mr Brannon, so thanks for that.