From Sankajo to what.....?

BTW, what's wrong with throwing someone in confined spaces? You can always "throw" but not let go...

Spiral it up so uke is more than on his toes then sweep both his legs front front or rear. Be careful to slacken the sankyo and guide the breakfall safely - it is his turn next

You can always drop them straight down towards your feet, like you are swing a sword shomenuchi, and then lay them out while turning tenkan. It doesn't take up much space at all, but make sure to keep pressure on the sankyo all the way through the technique. If you look at the twist of the arm in sankyo, it is exactly the opposite twist as shihonage. So its pretty easy to reverse it and drop them with shihonage. Works great in the dojo, but it takes a bit of time so as for street-wise I really can't say. But it's a fun 'n flashy finish to the technique.

Joe

Thanks to all of you for the replies. I'll give some of those I have'nt tried/trained before a shot!

Thanks again.

I most commonly resolve this technique by going to a crosshand knifehand armbar done facing one's opponent, not in the same direction as is most common. This was one of the approaches which I learned in Hapkido.

In Daito-ryu I learned to resolve the technique by putting on a gooseneck behind his same side hip and taking the whole arm on its horizontal plane, straight down to the ground as I lower my own level from my knees. ( not bending over. ) It is important to place the pressure of the arm directly on the back of the hip and go straight down as this stops the ability to step or turn to much the same end as attacking your opponent's closest knee that others have mentioned.

I have a dislike for the typical forward roll that bothaikido-ists and hapkido-ists do out of this technique. It seems that in 20 years of practise I've never truly been "thrown" in that manner but rather been compelled to 'bail' in order to avoid the lock.

I worked out in schools in Daito-ryu in Japan and in Hapkido where for training we prefer not to do the joint lock avoiding breakfalls in most instances. However in demonstrations the 'jump' out of this technique seems to prevail.

Spiralling downward can effect a fall but it is not the forward rolling one we are typically used to seeing being done.

I never thought of doing this technique combined with a tai-otoshi (judo-style, I presume, with judo body position and not just the meaning of 'body drop'?).

Interesting, I'll think about that one.

Thanks Mateo,

Like you, I have had no real success with the "forward" roll that is often trained in conjunction with the lock. We tended to just "go" with the throw. I often see people train it this way in both hapkido and aikido, hence the question.

My preference has been to transition in to a gooseneck as your controlling hand is already there and you can guide the attacker's elbow down, into the crux of you own elbow/hip with relative speed and ease. This can be done proficiently with only a little practice really.

The problem with it for me is that I am of average height and I start having real difficulty with guys 5'11' or 6' and up. You know the "gangly" types.

I have become reasonably proficient at also transitioning from that to a rear, knifehand elbow lock, then with my free hand either applying a choke or collar grap. It's a very painful place for them and a powerful position for me. Lots of options from there.

I have to admit, the commonly seen "forward throw", can be a little awkward to execute on an "uncooperative" person, but the principle of a forward/backward takedown is there: tai-otoshi (body drop), uchimata (inner-thigh reap), o-soto gari (major outer reap), ashi harai (foot sweep), ko-soto gake (minor outer hook), kouchi gari (minor inner reap) etc.

Remember, it's the "principle", not the technique...

Another aikido lesson, thanks eyrie. Got a whole bunch in this thread.

Sorry....I apologize if it came across as a lesson.

Oh! I wasn't sure...

I should clarify that some of what I've shared isn't strictly aikido, although the principles are there. Most of the techniques come from judo/jujitsu, if you need to clarify what these are.

Cheers,

Smiles are good.