Posted by: Joe Jutsu
Discouraging Beginners?? - 04/14/05 03:19 PM
Hello all-
It's been awhile since I've been an active participant on these boards, but I have an issue that I could use a little outside perspective on.
I participate in a college Ki Aikido club, and have for the last four or so years (I'm obviously not on the "four-year plan" [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] ). Anyway, after waning numbers over the last few years, we have had a rather large influx of newbies as of late, well large for us anyway. So we've secured a few new time slots in hopes to really land a few permanent members, seeing as the three most senior members are all graduating this year.
Anyway, most of these guys are enthusiastic, which I really like, and for the most part fairly athletic/coordinated, so they are picking up on the movements pretty quickly. And due to resources like the internet, they are searching out aikido with a zeal akin to my own years ago. We've sort of adopted a semi-informal atmosphere in club as of late, and I've arrived in a situation where I am the lone "instructor" on one of these days, without anybody with any aikido experience at all to help me. Now this is an interesting challenge, especially when I feel like I am getting more than one look of disbelief.
For instance, one newbie in particular, a guy significantly (physically) stronger than I, wasn't buying an ikkyo pin that I was demonstrating. He asked for me to do it on him. "No problem" I said, and proceeded to pin him with ikkyo. "Can I try to struggle away" he asks. I'm thinking this might be bad, but I told him to go for it. He couldn't struggle away, but I really cranked his wrist in the process. Hopefully he put some ice on it, because he was struggling like his life depended on it, which is the same attitude he carries when other people are trying to learn techniques. I've tried to tell him to relax, and to explain to him that by being a good uke you can help nage correctly learn the throws, but this explanation has come to no avail. This attitude is carried by more than this one particular individual as well.
In other words, I get the impression that these guys really just want to beat some ass. They want to feel powerful, immediately, and with all of the aikido videos on the internet available, they're always asking me to show them this or that, ignoring the basic curriculum that in my opinion must be followed in order to acheive these "higher" levels of aikido. I think a couple of them really do want to have their butts handed to them to "feel" that this stuff works, but there's something inside of me that almost feels that they are not in the right place. Aikido is not about fighting. I have half a mind to go and refer them to the judo club a couple hours later. Maybe years down the road they will have less of a fighting mind, at which point aikido my be for them.
Anyway, I guess my question is would you try to win over some of these "toughies," and if so how much would you alter class to do so. I'm thinking about putting a nix on all techniques above fourth or third kyu until the are at least at the level that they could technique wise pass a fifth kyu test, and am also thinking about starting class of with about fifteen minutes of ki breathing. A little seiza in my experience can do wonders to humble a tough guy (coming from my own experience as a former wrestler).
I guess another way to phrase the question would be, which path here is the path of non-dissension??
Your input is most welcomed and appreciated.
Joe
[This message has been edited by Joe Jutsu (edited 04-14-2005).]
It's been awhile since I've been an active participant on these boards, but I have an issue that I could use a little outside perspective on.
I participate in a college Ki Aikido club, and have for the last four or so years (I'm obviously not on the "four-year plan" [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] ). Anyway, after waning numbers over the last few years, we have had a rather large influx of newbies as of late, well large for us anyway. So we've secured a few new time slots in hopes to really land a few permanent members, seeing as the three most senior members are all graduating this year.
Anyway, most of these guys are enthusiastic, which I really like, and for the most part fairly athletic/coordinated, so they are picking up on the movements pretty quickly. And due to resources like the internet, they are searching out aikido with a zeal akin to my own years ago. We've sort of adopted a semi-informal atmosphere in club as of late, and I've arrived in a situation where I am the lone "instructor" on one of these days, without anybody with any aikido experience at all to help me. Now this is an interesting challenge, especially when I feel like I am getting more than one look of disbelief.
For instance, one newbie in particular, a guy significantly (physically) stronger than I, wasn't buying an ikkyo pin that I was demonstrating. He asked for me to do it on him. "No problem" I said, and proceeded to pin him with ikkyo. "Can I try to struggle away" he asks. I'm thinking this might be bad, but I told him to go for it. He couldn't struggle away, but I really cranked his wrist in the process. Hopefully he put some ice on it, because he was struggling like his life depended on it, which is the same attitude he carries when other people are trying to learn techniques. I've tried to tell him to relax, and to explain to him that by being a good uke you can help nage correctly learn the throws, but this explanation has come to no avail. This attitude is carried by more than this one particular individual as well.
In other words, I get the impression that these guys really just want to beat some ass. They want to feel powerful, immediately, and with all of the aikido videos on the internet available, they're always asking me to show them this or that, ignoring the basic curriculum that in my opinion must be followed in order to acheive these "higher" levels of aikido. I think a couple of them really do want to have their butts handed to them to "feel" that this stuff works, but there's something inside of me that almost feels that they are not in the right place. Aikido is not about fighting. I have half a mind to go and refer them to the judo club a couple hours later. Maybe years down the road they will have less of a fighting mind, at which point aikido my be for them.
Anyway, I guess my question is would you try to win over some of these "toughies," and if so how much would you alter class to do so. I'm thinking about putting a nix on all techniques above fourth or third kyu until the are at least at the level that they could technique wise pass a fifth kyu test, and am also thinking about starting class of with about fifteen minutes of ki breathing. A little seiza in my experience can do wonders to humble a tough guy (coming from my own experience as a former wrestler).
I guess another way to phrase the question would be, which path here is the path of non-dissension??
Your input is most welcomed and appreciated.
Joe
[This message has been edited by Joe Jutsu (edited 04-14-2005).]