someone catches your leg?
Posted by: sgroves
someone catches your leg? - 04/05/08 01:09 PM
what do you do when someone catches your leg while you try to kick them? this has always confused me.
and if there is a move for it, what is it called so that i can search for it on youtube, i'd like to see it in action.
thanks.
Posted by: MattJ
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/05/08 01:18 PM
Context, please. Tournament? General self-defense, or what?
Posted by: sgroves
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/05/08 02:45 PM
both
Posted by: Leo_E_49
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/05/08 02:50 PM
http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...=0#Post15864811P.S. It is advisable to cross train in a grappling art before attempting to learn any of the techniques mentioned, for safety reasons.
Posted by: WhiteDragon11
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/05/08 03:15 PM
Well I throw a lot of kicks and they get caught a LOT. I have found that going in with the caught foot seems to work the best. When your opponent catches your kick, they will either want to keep hold of it and throw strikes, or bring you down. However, if you get close to the opponent after he/she grabs your kick, you can get in some good strikes. This will prevent them from having time to get in a good takedown.
Tournaments- If its point sparring, you would get the point for hitting them.
Self defense- If you get in fast enough, you could lay down enough punches to end the fight. Or you could use your momentum to take them down, with you.
Posted by: sgroves
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/05/08 05:13 PM
I've seen in moves how they kind of spin around and kick them with the free leg.. my next class is next thursday so i have to ask then but im a little too curious to wait. I'm green belt.. shouldnt i know this already?
Posted by: TKD_X
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/05/08 07:24 PM
when did you start sparring? i was once in a system where no one sparred until green belt. it was the third rank in the system.
Posted by: WhiteDragon11
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/05/08 09:15 PM
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I'm green belt.. shouldnt i know this already?
There are going to be a lot of questions that come up, even when you are a black belt. No one knows everything. That is what this site is for, to find out information that other people know. So dont worry if you come up with some problems...
Movies arent the best source to get new moves. Kicking with your free leg isnt smart. Once you kick, how are you going to land? Your not, your going to fall. Once you fall your done. Then they can jump on your and throw punches.
If your idea is to kick with the free leg and land with the caught leg, that wouldnt work either. If they kept hold of it you would fall. Even if you manage to get it out of the grasp, you wouldnt have time to land. So I dont recommend trying that...
Posted by: sgroves
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/06/08 12:14 AM
started sparing on orange belt.. we have weird belts.
orange
orange with yellow strip
yellow
yellow with green strip
and so on..
Posted by: jasperdaman
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/06/08 03:19 AM
Its a good question! If someone catches my leg and doesnt act on it fast enough, like whitedragon said i like to come close to them and let off a few strikes, afterall they now only have 1 hand to defend with as the other has hold of ur leg. Also, depending on how tight a hold they have of your leg you can pull it back to coil up again.
Posted by: dicen
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/06/08 07:11 PM
I had an instructor who trained us to retract the leg bring the attacker in close, if the leg was ever caught. Theoretically it was possible, since the legs are stonger than the upper body, but realistically your quads have to be real strong to pull it off.
But usually if my leg is caught I close distance and grab the guy, there by nullifying a take that would hurt me badly.
Posted by: WhiteDragon11
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/06/08 08:09 PM
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I had an instructor who trained us to retract the leg bring the attacker in close, if the leg was ever caught. Theoretically it was possible, since the legs are stonger than the upper body, but realistically your quads have to be real strong to pull it off.
I have never tried that. However, you might be able to pull that off if you do it quickly enough. As long as you get the retract before the opponent gets a full grasp on your leg.
But I dont think that it would bring the opponent closer. It might release your foot. But doing both wouldnt be possible.
Posted by: fileboy2002
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/06/08 10:36 PM
Stop kicking then.
Posted by: Leo_E_49
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/07/08 01:27 AM
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Stop kicking then.
LOL! Something to take into consideration.
Posted by: hotrice
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/07/08 11:32 AM
you can avoid the problem entirely and learn to re-chamber your leg quick enough so they can't catch it, that might help a bit and if you know that catching a leg is something that they like to do then bate them or trick them into catching your leg and then use some hand techniques/combinations to the head
Posted by: BrianS
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/07/08 07:05 PM
If you find youe legs getting caught it's time to come up with a new strategy and practice your kicks more.
Posted by: WhiteDragon11
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/07/08 08:40 PM
True... Practicing will always help get reduce your chances of getting your leg caught. However, depending on the opponent, they still may be good enough to catch your kick. And in that case, he should know what to do.
I dont plan on getting in a fight, but I train for one...
Posted by: Stormdragon
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/07/08 10:27 PM
Overhook their arm that is on the outside with your own arm that's closest to that one and post your other hand on their head and push slightly down and away while placing your caught leg on the outside of their leg that is on the same side as the arm you overhooked, then drive your hips away and their head down and away and then drive your caught leg out.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dWxhMURd-SALike that but post their head not their shoulder.
Posted by: BrianS
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/07/08 11:13 PM
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Well I throw a lot of kicks and they get caught a LOT. I have found that going in with the caught foot seems to work the best. When your opponent catches your kick, they will either want to keep hold of it and throw strikes, or bring you down. However, if you get close to the opponent after he/she grabs your kick, you can get in some good strikes. This will prevent them from having time to get in a good takedown.
Tournaments- If its point sparring, you would get the point for hitting them.
Self defense- If you get in fast enough, you could lay down enough punches to end the fight. Or you could use your momentum to take them down, with you.
I'm assuming since this is the TKD forum that he/she is talking about TKD counters for the leg catch,so takedowns would be moot.
I'm sure he could hop around and punch his way out, that seems to be the natural response already.
Posted by: WhiteDragon11
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/08/08 06:22 AM
Yes I figured you couldnt takedown in his tournament aspect of the leg catch, thats why I said just pop him for a point.
Well its not really hopping around. That seems to be what most people do. However, it is a quick step to get in close with the opponent. Hopping around is just a way to get your foot swept, or lose your balance by yourself.
Posted by: JMWcorwin
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/08/08 04:13 PM
Well, we do a LOT of throwing in our style so legs get caught quite a bit. But there's generally two scenarios when that happens. 1. the kick is caught and your thrown before you can do much of anything. 2. They are a little slow on the throw and you use the tried and true best response: light them up with your closest hand. Some guys will throw kicks as a feint just to come in close with that punch. If someone is holding your leg just keep punching until they figure out they need to let go and try something else. Side note: do this a couple times and they'll stop trying to grab your leg... so start with the kicking, you've got a free pass cuz they are thinking about those punches.
I'm sure there's other techniques ( such as Urijah Faber's flying knee ) but the kick followed immediately with the same side straight punch works most of the time. And I doubt many can get away with the stuf Faber gets away with; he's just an animal.
Posted by: Spade
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/08/08 11:18 PM
If someone catches my leg, I pull myself into them as fast as I can, I throw my other leg around and try to take their back, then go for a choke.
Posted by: TKD_rednblack
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/09/08 09:39 AM
I have 2 ways:
1. if they get the lower leg past the knee. turn your into a back kick position extended then kick through like smashing a foot ball or chamber your leg.
2. if they get upper leg stamp downword breaking grip and/pulling off balance then strike of your choice
(lower leg is more likely if kicking. upperleg if they catch you in long stances and applys more to grappling exept you would try to thorw instead of strike)
Posted by: Fruitloopy
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/09/08 06:45 PM
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what do you do when someone catches your leg while you try to kick them?
It Depends!!!!
Posted by: BrianS
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/10/08 11:05 PM
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Yes I figured you couldnt takedown in his tournament aspect of the leg catch, thats why I said just pop him for a point.
Well its not really hopping around. That seems to be what most people do. However, it is a quick step to get in close with the opponent. Hopping around is just a way to get your foot swept, or lose your balance by yourself.
Ok, what about the self defense aspect of it?
If they catch your leg what is TKD's answer to deal with this in a self defense situation?
Taking the back and choking isn't one of them.
Posted by: Supremor
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/11/08 03:09 AM
Perhaps you could tell us what Goju's response would be? I know you don't have high kicks, but lower kicks are just as likely to get caught.
Posted by: Leo_E_49
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/11/08 03:20 AM
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If they catch your leg what is TKD's answer to deal with this in a self defense situation?
I was taught to clinch, get control of their head and punch or head-butt as a defense against the leg catch back when I was studying TKD. Not the best response imho, but better than some suggested here...
Posted by: trevek
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/11/08 03:43 AM
I didn't think you wre allowed to hold the leg in many TKD tournament rules.
Posted by: trevek
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/11/08 03:47 AM
Like most people, I was taught to close the gap and punch the head. However, there is the added problem that a 'good' opponent won't stay still and might pull you backwards (their backwards) or such nasty things, thus unbalancing you etc.
Good question.
Posted by: WhiteDragon11
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/11/08 06:26 AM
I dont do TKD anymore, and when I did I only participated in a few tournaments. So I dont particularly know the rules to leg catching, but I thought you could. However, they wanted both the tournament and self defense aspect of a leg catch, so I went along with that.
Well at my school, sparring is not for tournaments its for application for self defense. So when I give advice coming from sparring, it is for self defense. In the beginning stage of my leg getting caught, I usually would be taken down from there. However, after a while I just started coming in and throwing in punches.
Even if they do take a step back with your leg, you should be coming in, and it should even out. Its just about how fast you react to your leg being caught, which you should be able to tell during the kick.
Posted by: Supremor
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/11/08 07:04 AM
May I add to the conversation, that in my opinion, if your leg get's caught, there is a good chance you are going to be taken down, whatever you do about it. It is very easy to respond to a suggestion by saying that won't work because of such and such, but honestly there is a fair probability that you will be taken down, even with the best defenses. Of course, that problem is magnified if your opponent has some grappling experience.
You must assess for yourself whether or not it is worth the risk of being taken down. In self defense probably not, but in tournaments and even MMA there are many fighters who are happy to take that risk because of the benefits kicking adds to their arsenal.
Posted by: JMWcorwin
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/11/08 03:06 PM
I'd refine that statement a bit. If a GRAPPLER gets your leg and is determined you're probably going down eventually. If a stand up fighter catches your leg out of reflex or to attempt a throw you have much more chance of countering that.
Posted by: BrianS
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/11/08 04:31 PM
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Perhaps you could tell us what Goju's response would be? I know you don't have high kicks, but lower kicks are just as likely to get caught.
I don't agree that low kicks are just as likely to get caught,but I'll play along.
In our goju we have integrated groundfighting,so if it does go to the ground we can handle it. I would clinch,then punch/elbow my way out.
If someone is dumb enough to reach down to catch a low kick they are the ones who need to figure out their options.
Posted by: TKD_X
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/11/08 05:38 PM
if you are light enough that you can jump up and kick with the free leg and land it, you are a tae kwon do god.
i can only do it if i have something to hold onto with my hands.
Posted by: BrianS
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/11/08 06:16 PM
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if you are light enough that you can jump up and kick with the free leg and land it, you are a tae kwon do god. i can only do it if i have something to hold onto with my hands.
I guess you are responding to me,but I'm not sure what you are talking about.
Trying to jump up and kick them with your free leg is %100 effective....in cinema's.
Posted by: Supremor
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/12/08 04:57 AM
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If someone is dumb enough to reach down to catch a low kick they are the ones who need to figure out their options.
That's odd, because I've seen Karo Parisyan do a fair few takedowns from low or middle roundhouse kicks, he seems to be able to catch low kicks pretty automatically. I'm sure I've seen a few wrestlers in the UFC do the same. I don't see them reaching down exactly, but scooping the leg and moving in on it.
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Trying to jump up and kick them with your free leg is %100 effective....in cinema's
That's for sure lol, but did you see Urijah Faber do that flying knee while his opponent had a hold of the other- absolutely awesome. However, for the rest of us mere mortals trying such things is probably a good way to an early grave.
Posted by: BrianS
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/12/08 10:28 AM
We are not Karo or Urijah,lol.
Posted by: itfoldschool
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/29/08 09:01 PM
If you perfect your kicking technique, and develop proper power and placement they won't be able to catch it without eating the shot.
Posted by: itfoldschool
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/29/08 09:02 PM
itfoldschool
Posted by: BrianS
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/29/08 09:03 PM
Yeah....
Posted by: BrianS
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/29/08 09:04 PM
BrianS
Posted by: WhiteDragon11
Re: someone catches your leg? - 04/29/08 10:03 PM
Well yes that can be true. But theres always going to be someone that might have the technique a little better, and can still catch you leg. So you should always be ready for the worst.
Whitedragon11
Posted by: itfoldschool
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/10/08 09:25 PM
Its kind of hard to give you suggestions on a captured kick. I'd have to see the mechanics of your kick to make a good assessment. Try to know who you are fighting, and know which of your techniques are your best. Many people build a large arsenal of techniques but never spend enough time perfecting them. Know what your specialties are and know when to use them. Do you have a favorite kick? One that works better for you than others and you feel you can get it in there quick. Fast recoil will speed up the kick in itself. Also, relax. If your muscles are tight that will slow your kick. It takes alot of time and practice. Fight different types of fighters. Learn what works best for you. Thanks, ---glenn
Posted by: EvenRats
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/10/08 11:22 PM
I'm sure everyone has watched this already, but I think it seems relevant for this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r26Wg_Y4stY
Posted by: penquin
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/11/08 06:52 AM
As a person who's favorite counter to being kicked is grabbing it, I say increase your luck. Even stand up fighters can take people down. A person can pull back then strike. A person can hit pressure points. Even if you are a TKD god and jump'n kick to escape you could be toast. If they drop your other leg and block the jump kick with both hands in a punch/block your jump kick foot ankle could snap and your toast(with PB on it). When I started sparring in TKD I was informed that grabbing was a no-no. Of course, you can always do a pass over head and do the same thing as a grab, or a block/pull. You can only do one of each during each match.
Posted by: The_Master
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/11/08 07:18 AM
lol i saw that video and i say, kind of jump forward and use ur other leg to perform a powerful kick (hope they let go), then land unharmed.
Posted by: The_Master
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/12/08 02:08 AM
THAT GUY GOT HIS ASS KICKED!
Posted by: EvenRats
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/12/08 10:31 PM
Indeed. There were only so many things wrong with that fight. His guard was low, the kicks were poorly executed and LACK OF CONDITIONING.
Posted by: The_Master
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/13/08 02:05 AM
yes, i agree, very poor kicks. the other guy had plenty of time to block them. seeing that, taekwondo looked rather limited, as he did not go for any punches, only kicks, which is why karate is..... more flexible.
Posted by: trevek
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/13/08 05:21 AM
Don't thy use hands in your TKD school? Maybe it's an Irish dancing school.
Posted by: The_Master
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/13/08 05:40 AM
...i don't go to a TKD school, just saying that he didn't go for punching at all and that Taekwondo focuses alot on kicking.
Posted by: trevek
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/13/08 05:56 AM
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which is why karate is..... more flexible
No, you state in a generic way that Karat is more flexible because it uses hands, however someone of your experience should know that TKD also incorporates hands and that while WTF-style competition utilises legs mor oftn, Chang Hon competition oftn uses a lot of hands.
Check out Stuart Anslow's book on CH practice and you'll see how misguoided it is to consider Karate as being more flexible.
Posted by: The_Master
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/13/08 06:08 AM
yeah, i know that Taekwondo also incorporates the use of hands. uhhh.... i take that comment back about karate and i didn't actually know that there were seperate competitions one with legs and one with hands. My apologies.
Posted by: penquin
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/13/08 06:57 AM
As a person who has done both I would have to say it is the artist not the art.
Posted by: trevek
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/13/08 07:49 AM
Master, thanks for the reply. This is something a lot of TKD-ers feel strongly about. Much of the general public only see TKD as an Olympic sport which has a very heavy emphasis on kicking and no hand to head contact (it's not all legs). Likewise other forms of competition (such as Chang Hon based schools use) utilise more hands and would appear more like a Karate or kick-boxing match to the observer.
Generally leg-grabbing is not allowed in many TKD competitions.
In the vid the TKD guy apparently hasn't adapted his style to deal with a style where hands are used more. Hence to an observer it might seem that Karate is more flexible; not ncessarily, it is that particular fighter's training which makes him more flexible.
Posted by: ITFunity
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/13/08 10:01 AM
IMHO the problem begins with what is TKD? It seems that in this thread or parts thereof, many are using the generic umbrella term of TKD to describe KMAs (striking). Then others pick the Olympic sport TKD & others defend using the Chang Hon style of TKD. Too much mixing here for an accurate or focused debate.
If Karate is more flexible, then original TKD is also more flexible, as it is derived mainly from Karate (ShotoKan). Remember original TKD was devised in the Korean Army for military SD. It was a modern mix of the MAs that were around in those days. So it can be even more flexible thatn Karate. However, it must be taught that way.
The next problem I see is that one compares TKD by the tournament rules they use. That often can be fair, as schools sometimes only teach fighting that way. This many would argue is not the best approach for SD. I would agree, It also does not allow a good cross over under a different fighting rules as in the video. I think that is obvious.
Many do see TKD as a sport or martial sport, as in the Republic of Korea that is how it is viewed & promoted for the most part (Olympic sport). From my experience that is not the case outside of south Korea. More commerical schools advertise SD or MA, not a sport. They may add in the Olympc sport as a further markeeting ploy. However, much of their training is sport rules based. This is not only the case of WTF/KKW, but ITF & Independents as well.
Getting back to catching a leg, original TKD as designed is IMHO an effective Art of SD that offers more than SD. The problem is many do not teach it that way, or focus on other areas. That is not the fault of the Art of original TKD, but the lack of focus in the training or development over time away from the original goals.
As always, JMO.
Posted by: jeff_andle
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/13/08 09:15 PM
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Master, thanks for the reply. This is something a lot of TKD-ers feel strongly about. Much of the general public only see TKD as an Olympic sport which has a very heavy emphasis on kicking and no hand to head contact (it's not all legs). Likewise other forms of competition (such as Chang Hon based schools use) utilise more hands and would appear more like a Karate or kick-boxing match to the observer.
Generally leg-grabbing is not allowed in many TKD competitions.
In the vid the TKD guy apparently hasn't adapted his style to deal with a style where hands are used more. Hence to an observer it might seem that Karate is more flexible; not ncessarily, it is that particular fighter's training which makes him more flexible.
Just to muddy the waters, Songahm TKD uses hands and feet but only feet to the head. The mix of hands vs feet is up to the individual.
In terms of that fight, I think the TKD practitioner was unaccostommed to holds and simply did not adapt outside his practiced rule set.
Posted by: trevek
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/14/08 10:52 AM
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I think the TKD practitioner was unaccostommed to holds and simply did not adapt outside his practiced rule set.
To true, Jeff. You should show him how to 'Andle these kinds of attacks (sorry, couldn't resist that).
Posted by: EvenRats
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/14/08 04:38 PM
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...i don't go to a TKD school, just saying that he didn't go for punching at all and that Taekwondo focuses alot on kicking.
I know you got the point already, but I'd also like to add that the rules were standard Kyokushin sparring rules. Meaning there was no punching to the face.
Seeing as how most of you have already seen the video, what would you do in that situation?
Posted by: matxtx
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/14/08 05:51 PM
Respect to the TKD guy for getting in there.
Its not totaly his fault he did so bad.
In TKD rules im sure he is a good fighter.He must of been to be representing TKD.The organisation and him himself would not put a total tit in there.
His kicks were not as bad as everyone is trying to say in my opinion.They were TKD kicks designed to work in a TKD enviroment.
The biggest flaw was TACTICS.He was trying to apply tactics that work against another TKD guy who behaves in a way set out by TKD.
Thats what styles do.They create a world where what they teach works.
And further it gets from anything goes/No holds barred the less realistic it is.And the less it will work against another style who is closer to no holds barred.Thai sparring and fighting is the closet striking style to that.
The TKD guy did not keep it simple and tried things which dont work well outside of TKD setting against a good fighter.Here MT.Mainly spinning kicks and front leg side kicks.His round kicks were the sport kind more deseigned for speed and rapid kicking combos.
Thai guy kept is simple with solid kicks.
Personaly I dont side kick anymore outside of a TKD setting.I use a front kick but put my hip into it to make it longer with more reach.And that kick is in TKD.I dont re-chamber(gosh) either and just put it down and move on.Its more natural.
And I believe that re-chambering is misunderstood and that point comes into the thread about getting the leg caught:
Re-chambering helps when kicking thin air as it gives controll and balance and 'looks' better and means rapid kicking combos can be performed ,which TKD wants to promote.Yet it puts a break on the kick with less commitment.And so as a side note less power and more danger of getting caught.
Against a target the target should stop the kick and take the force.So no major rechamber should be attempted in a setting outside TKD.Just let the foot get down naturaly from what ever positon its ended up at.Let it go.Total commitment.
Thats just my view and what I have learnt.
Also kicking is about tacticaly setting them up or using them well.Another way not to get caught or look into if your getting caught alot.Think about tactics.That might be all it is.Not realy poor kicking.
Thai guys are great at kicking at punching range and its a great tactic.Its surprising and while they are dealing with your punches,bang a low kick or cover their face and kick them in the head or neck.Very cheeky.Or straight punch blast them and realy chamber the leg in tight (which should be done anyway) and push kick/front kick them away then hunt them down quicky while they are off balance.Works great and less chance of being caught.Also filling in gaps between kickswith hands strikes if doing kicking combos works well too.
Just some veiws and thoughts.
Posted by: JMWcorwin
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/14/08 07:03 PM
Good points.
I think the best way to put it is something I was told when I first started; you've all probably heard it as well:
"Don't ever fight the other man's fight."
Or in this guy's case, use the tools you have that work best for the situation you're in. This guy KNEW from the git that he was going to see TKD roundhouse, side, and back kicks... and that's what he saw. If the TKD guy had spent more time picking better tools or altering his tools to fight a Muay Thai boxer he would have been better off. Instead, he was just out to prove that his TKD could beat any and everything out there every time.
Never do what your opponent expects you to do; take him off his game plan and make him change up... make him second guess himself. Make him give you what YOU want instead of what HE wants to give. Then, you've already won.
Again, my humble 2¢
Posted by: EvenRats
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/15/08 09:46 PM
I have a question for everyone who watched the video; lets say that was you in the ring fighting the MT practitioner. The rules are the same(no punching to the face, clinching allowed). What kind of game plan would you use?
Posted by: ITFunity
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/15/08 11:19 PM
My game plan would be surrender!
If anything, bang the body & front kicks. But really my best option would be to surrender, throw in the towel or just not get into the ring. Maybe have someone call me & say there is a family emergency. LOL
Posted by: penquin
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/15/08 11:28 PM
Feint with hands or feet, prepare ahead with practice on faster kicks, and study any footage on my opponent or style of opponent, all might help one in surviving in the ring.
Posted by: GriffyGriff
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/16/08 12:14 AM
1. Tell him that his shoelaces are undone.
2. Repeatedly tell him that there is someone behind him.
3. Perhaps cover myself from head to foot in butter.
4. Dress exactly like the referee.
Posted by: JMWcorwin
Re: someone catches your leg? - 05/16/08 01:44 PM
That would be the exact opposite of what I've already posted. You're fighting by rules that cater to the MT practitioner, but also to the Kyoshukin guys. That's pretty standard Kyoshukin rules unless I'm mistaken. There are TKD guys no doubt out there who COULD outkick the guy if they practiced enough in advance for that arena. JUst as I know some hapkido guys who I've watched beat seasoned MT fighters.... but they trained for that specifically also for a while.
As for me, I just wouldn't go there. At least, not if I was planning to follow those rules.
Just like I wouldn't jump in the ring with an expert BJJ guy with all those silly no biting, eye gouging, fish hooking, and small joint manipulation rules. Sheesh! At least leave me something.
Now, a good BJJ or Judo guy could prolly have their way with a straight MT boxer... if they did what they do: take him down & choke him the
f@#$ out. So I guess that would be my response as the best counter to what we saw there. But, again, that's not allowed in the rules. However, I'd take a disqualification by way of RNC as opposed to taking a 1st round KO by MT Roundhouse any day of the week. THAT... would be worth the DQ.