SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu

Posted by: NicoJM

SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/03/08 10:56 PM

Hello fellow Jiu Jitsu/Judo practicioners i just wanted to share the the following information with you.

My Sensei or Shihan:
GrandMaster Carl Pluchino

My School:
My town Community Center

We are also the Head School.

TO ADD A LITTLE HUMOR: he calls Tae Kwon Do Take ones dough as in take your money because it is useless.

TO PROVE IT: i faught my friend whom is a Tae Kwon Do BlackBelt who studies under Jeff Dunn and i won all three rounds ( I am a white belt)
Posted by: TKD_X

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/03/08 11:43 PM

art bashing across two sections? what's your problem? ban?
Posted by: NicoJM

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/03/08 11:47 PM

that is my sensei's opinion i do necesaritly think the same
Posted by: TKD_X

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/03/08 11:59 PM

dude i'm not even going to argue with you...
Posted by: NicoJM

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/04/08 12:17 AM

i m srry forgive me
Posted by: Prizewriter

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/04/08 06:50 AM

Okay let us communicate about your art if we may...

http://digsfossils.com/karate.html

Here is the website for your art. I notice Mr Pluchino is a member of the World Head of Family Sokeship Council Member... hmmmm... here are some threads on here about the "Council" and some of its members:

http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...ue#Post15970579

http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...ue#Post15981345

http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...ue#Post15882255

Your teacher talks about having "30 years of experience", yet his actual credentials relating to martial arts are pretty thin on the ground. Oh wait, except for "Samauri Jiu Jitsu". WTF????? Do you mind telling me what that is suppose to be?

Is this another Samauri fantasist pretending to be teaching the warrior arts of ancient Japan without actually knowing the first thing about them? What knowledge of Koryu does he actually have? What is it you actually learn?

I'm sorry to sound harsh but it seems your teachers Ju Jutsu credentials are dubious to say the least. Traditional Japanese Ju Jutsu is incredibly hard to find in the Western world. Read this thread:

http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/s...=0#Post15981165

If you enjoy doing what you are doing, keep at it. I wouldn't go within a mile of Mr Pluchino's class though based on his website. Each to their own, as they say.
Posted by: NicoJM

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/04/08 11:39 AM

actually that site was made by a friend of his whom i do not know if still in contact and it is outdated slightly. He was taught by his sensei in Staton Island then slowly became a grandmaster or Red Belt and started Seikei Ryu Jiu Jitsu. That other art was His Sensei's art. My sensei renamed it fitting to what he was teaching.
Seikei - Balancing the central meridians
Ryu - Art
Posted by: NicoJM

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/04/08 11:42 AM

sorry for double posting admins

i am srry for forgetting to answer one of your questions.
yes traditional japanese jiu jitsu is hard to find but he really does teach it is not brazillian or karate it is traditional. I was amazed to find him.
Posted by: Prizewriter

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/04/08 12:04 PM

See here's the thing; "Samauri Jiu Jitsu" isn't a style. Some examples of Classical/Traditional Japanese Martial arts are:

Kito Ryu
Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu
Shindo Yoshin-ryū
Musō Jikiden Eishin-ryū

Traditional Japanes arts that all have a history an lineage going back for centuries. "Samuari Jiu Jitsu" doesn't. It sounds like a bit of made-up jitsu.

Just because someone tells you they are teaching Ju Jutsu and it isn't BJJ doesn't mean it is Japanese Ju Jutsu by default. Other than your teacher telling you its "Samuari Jiu Jitsu" why would you think it is traditional JJ?

People like Robert Clarke of the World Jiu Jitsu Fedeartion have been passing off a mish mash of kickboxing/combatitives(such as Krav Maga)/judo as traditional Japanese Ju Jutsu (koryu) for years purely for marketing reasons.

Someone showing you how to do a hip throw they learnt in a freestlye wrestling class and a bad lapel release they learnt at a McDojo Karate club and calling it "Jiu Jitsu" doesn't mean it is a classical Japanese Martial art, you follow?

There is nothing on that website indicating he ever studieid trad JJ. He can call it what he likes. If he wants to offer proof of his study of traditional koryu then I'd be happy to acknowledge it. More than happy.

Otherwise lets call a spade a spade.
Posted by: MattJ

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/04/08 01:07 PM

Posted by: fatguy

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/04/08 01:13 PM

haha MattJ

just to add, im no Japanese expert but am fairly certain "ryu" does not mean art. Try a word more like "style"
Posted by: TKD_X

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/04/08 01:30 PM

"Mr. Pluchino has over 30 years experience in the martial arts"

"On September 5, 2005, Mr. Pluchino was promoted to a 10th degree black belt (or All red belt)"

i don't know too much about jiujitsu, but doesn't 10th dan take more than 30 years? i have heard of people not becoming 10th dan until after they're dead.
Posted by: Prizewriter

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/04/08 01:45 PM

That's what those other threads relate to that I posted about in my first response. Being prompted to ridiculous grades is common practice for people who are members of "World Sokeship councils", "International Budo Hall of Fame" et al.

Here is one such example from another thread on here entitled "Worst Ju Jitsu Sensei Ever?" Another man who has been "Internationally accredited".

Oh yeah, he's also a 10th Dan in "Ju Jitsu"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBjvIqw2Uyo



Regrettably the term "Ju Jutsu" is used as a marketing tool in a lot of places in the same as the term "Karate" has been used and abused over time.
Posted by: NicoJM

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/04/08 06:48 PM

true true but he probably did not come from a strong head school
Posted by: Prizewriter

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/05/08 06:48 AM

Out of interest here are some schools with legit claims to be teaching trad. JJ in the New York/New Jersey area:

http://www.nyseibukan.com/index.html

http://www.hyrusa.com/index2.html

http://www.daitoryu-roppokai.org/site/Roppokai/Dojolist/tabid/60/Default.aspx

If you are interested in genuine traditional Japanese systems these may be worth looking in to.
Posted by: JAMJTX

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/05/08 03:43 PM

Quote:

haha MattJ

just to add, im no Japanese expert but am fairly certain "ryu" does not mean art. Try a word more like "style"



Try more like STREAM
Posted by: EarlWeiss

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/05/08 04:42 PM




Goshindo Kempo Karate

Samurai Jiu Jitsu Assoc.

P.O. Box 140351 S.I., NY 10314-0351
www.goshindosamurai.com

Soke: Head Of Family
Grandmaster Pete Siringano Sr.
(1928-1994)

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Grandmaster Pete Siringano Jr.
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Release 10/24/00

Be it known to all, effective this date, The Magie Hill Karate & Jiu Jitsu Dojo, located in Union New Jersey and Mr. Carl Pluchino of same, are no longer affiliated with the Goshindo Kempo Karate & Samurai Jiu Jitsu Association.

Be it also known that as a result of my conversation with Mr. Pluchino, he and his students will remove all patches, logos, etc. effective immediately.

He and his students will cease to use the names Goshindo Kempo Karate and Samurai Jiu Jitsu, or the name Pete Siringano in any future advertising, etc.

I am effective immediately, rescinding the uncertified ranks previously issued to Mr. Pluchino of Godan & Rokudan, as is my right to do so. He is in possession of a certificate for the rank of Yodan Renshi ONLY, which he may retain.

Let the record reflect; he is neither a Godan nor a Rokudan. Any claims to the contrary are to be considered false due to lack of written certification from either myself or my late Father.

Mr. Pluchino has expressed to me that he no longer wishes to be affiliated with this Association, and "does not want to answer to anyone." I wish him well in his future endeavors.

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Posted by: TKD_X

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/05/08 04:59 PM

interesting find EarlWeiss. very interesting.
Posted by: EvenRats

Re: SeiKei Ryu Jiu JItsu - 05/06/08 08:35 PM

Why do I have a feeling that these are one of those backyard fights that really don't determine anything legitimate?