Posted by: Zoso4
BJJ or Judo - 06/05/07 08:52 PM
Ive been doing Tae Kwon Do for about 2 years and am going to switch to either Judo or BJJ. Im leaning more toward bjj because of the extensive ground work but don't like what ive heard of a lack of takedowns and falling training in it. While Judo it seems is the opposite with very extensive takedowns and throws but not so much groundwork because of the rules. So basically are they both equal in their own right for self defense or is judo more sport oriented because if i was to do bjj i would have to make a 20 minute hike while judo is right next store to me. Any way thnks in advance.
Posted by: Taison
Re: BJJ or Judo - 06/05/07 08:56 PM
Try both. See which one is more suitable for you. They're basically the same animal with different strengths.
Go do some free lessons. See if you like either the ground 'n pound aspect or slammin' people aspect.
-Taison out
Posted by: JKogas
Re: BJJ or Judo - 06/05/07 09:39 PM
Find a judo school that emphasizes ne-waza and you're good to go.
-John
Posted by: Leonine
Re: BJJ or Judo - 06/06/07 01:19 AM
Don't judge a book by it's cover. From your post it sounds like you want a good 50-50, takedowns and ground work. Well, there are both BJJ and Judo schools that do this, so you'll just have to go and see if these schools near you are like this.
Posted by: crablord
Re: BJJ or Judo - 06/06/07 03:09 AM
may t3h dim mak be with you
Posted by: Viator
Re: BJJ or Judo - 06/06/07 03:10 PM
Judo's right next door. Convenience is always an advantage on those days where you really have to make yourself go train. As for BJJs lack of breakfall, it's usually not a problem because not a lot of guys no much more than a single and double leg anyway, and maybe some clinch throws.
Do one, cross train in the other occasionally.
My advice is take BJJ. Many judo dojos focus solely on throws. The small amount of ne waza that they do practice generally revolves around use of the gi. If you're interested in self defense or no gi competition, judo's throws are incredible, but the groundwork...eh. You can't gi choke a guy who's not wearing a shirt, plus if he is wearing a shirt and you try to use it, you'll probably just rip it, or stretch it out.
I personally prefer quality over quantity. Sure, it's nice to know all 60+ judo throws, but watch guys train in judo when a competition is coming up. They usually find 1 or 2 throws that they like and drill them until they're blue in the face. I take that approach, rather than trying to learn tons of throws I'll probably never use. I really only use 4 or 5 takedowns/ throws personally.
Pick your poison. Do you want to be able to get the fight to the ground and take a dominant position, or do you want to be able to pull off submissions no matter what your opponent is wearing, what position he's in, what position you're in, etc
Posted by: Taison
Re: BJJ or Judo - 06/06/07 10:19 PM
I actually find no flaw in Judo newaza. It's just people don't spend much time.
It is thus, one of the student's responsibilities to actually train in it often and 'alive'.
Sure there are around 64 throws, not counting the varieties. Me, I actually use upto 15 different throws, not just 1 or 2. To get good with those 15 throws, that's a lot of drilling there.
Also, saying Judo-ka only know gi-grappling is a fallacy. BJJ also works with gi's. Not all schools uses the 'no-gi' policy. Look at my old dojo, we did no-gi judo twice a week. Not many schools do that.
And honestly, a t-shirt choke has actually worked before oddly enough. But not many other shirts work.
-Taison out