Your Favorite Technique

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Hey, Dereck, I was just wondering.

The techniques that you are taught, do they get English names or Korean? I've heard of striking techniques that are in Korean but never grappling techniques, so I was wondering.

All of the techniques we learn are in English. My Instructor does know some names in Korean as his Master is Korean and the grappling is from Hapkido. However when training with the US Marines and as well here in Canada to students, he translated everything to English or had terms in English that anybody could understand. Sometimes the official names are so confusing you can get lost in them.

For the techniques I talked about, his Master called it a Tree-Up as the arm and hand looks like the truck of a tree and the fingers are the branches. When the arm is up then that is a Tree-Up (or Americana). When the arm is pointed down it is a Tree-Down (or Kimura).

You have to remember this techniques was known far before it was ever named a Kimura (1951). Just because this move was renamed to Kimura did not mean that all people around the world that already practiced this should change the name of what they were doing.

The techniques in our system is the most important thing. The names are not important but if you want to know them they will be told to you ... or our Instructor may say them from time to time but remembering them is harder so we will make up our own names or say what they really are. This is a hip toss with blah blah. This is .... you get the point.

Posted by: azjudoaikijitsu

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/14/06 10:01 AM

I totally agree, it doesnt matter what it's called, it's how well you do it. I learned it in AJJ, but it wasnt called kimura

Posted by: Taison

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/14/06 09:23 PM

I understand.

I'm having a bit of a problem remembering all the techniques in Japanese. Tree-down, I think it's called something like Origanami-gatame or something like that. I can only recall it begins with Ori and then ends with Gatame. Seems I have to go and do some research. Now I remember, it's called Ude Garami! Phew, now I got that off my chest. And the name just gets longer with each variation as you said, tree up, tree down, cross body, reverse, mount, etc. .

Anyway, I understand your point. It's quite difficult to teach foreigners in a foreign language, like in your case it wouldn't be suitable to teach the Korean names as the student would end up mixing them anyway.

-Taison out

Posted by: Paranormalma

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/14/06 09:30 PM

O Soto Gari (Major Outer Reap)
O Soto Guruma (Major Outer Wheel)
Ko Soto Gari (Minor Outer Reap)

If the first doesn't work, the second or third are always good to fall back on

Hadaka Jime(Rear Naked Choke)-still one of the best!

I've also been becoming vey fond of Shiho Gatame (Smother Hold). Sure, it's not likely to do damage on its own, but if done correctly it is a very effective holding technique that gives the user a lot of opportunities to do major damage

Posted by: Fletch1

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/14/06 11:57 PM

When I started, I was facinated by Shiho Nage. After I learned it, I found very little use for it outside the JJJ/ Aikido syllabus though. I still love to watch it done at high levels.

Sankyo is on Traditional technique that I have found a lot of use for though. It is the one technique that gets people up on their feet. That would probably be my pick for favorite JJJ techniques.

For Judo, there is no question. Uchi Mata is by far my favorite technique.

Posted by: Neko456

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/15/06 09:30 AM

Standing long range while their moving Deashi-bari, when I'm attacking Osoto-gari or head lock hip throw.
Some one grabs from behind, Seionage as the 1st arm wraps around my sholder. In mince a takedown sometimes corner leg throw or leg wrap Gullotine Choke, Tussling Kimura or Arm bar or four corner choke, from behind RNC, in front his head between my knees surf board single or double arm shoulder lock.

Posted by: Taison

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/15/06 09:14 PM

I have this really really strange fascination for Tani-otoshi and Tai-otoshi. I don't know, in every randori, these always comes out and the success rate is somewhere between 75-85%.

Uchi-mata. The move that dropped a 120 Kg man to the floor, by a little dude that weighed around 50 Kg. That's a real scary move out of the corner. I really hate this move as my favorite fighting position begins from the corner and they have a free chance to launch me with this one.

-Taison out

Posted by: Dereck

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/16/06 12:59 AM

Boy I wish I knew what all this terminology you guys are using meant. Not knowing these puts me at a disadvantage when talking about it but if I seen it I'd know it.

Posted by: Taison

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/16/06 09:26 PM

Here let me help you as I want you to join in the conversation as well.

http://judoinfo.com/animate.htm here you go. If you're wondering what we're talking about check out the move in animation.

To be honest, I hate it when people talk and leaves me in the dust with a big question mark on my forehead. I'm sorry Dereck if I don't know the English equivalent names of the throws as I am taught all the techniques in Japanese as my art is still traditional. Unlike most Judo-ka I have to remember Persian and Russian names as well [some Korash and Sambo techniques].

As for Uchi-mata one of the top three scoring moves in the Olympics. http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/uchimata.htm

-Taison out

ps. . I got a new favorite move now. Tsuri-goshi! http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/tsurigoshi.htm

Posted by: Dereck

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/16/06 10:49 PM

Thanks Taison, I will look at this site. From the two you have clipped here I am very familiar with them. Thanks again.

Posted by: Dereck

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/16/06 10:57 PM

On Thursday prior to grappling we did several different moves with one being the two arm shoulder throw a.k.a. Morote Seoinage. We then finished this move off with keeping control of the one arm and applying a wrist lock, jerking the arm while moving to the otherside of their body which makes them roll on to their stomach and then pin the arm behind their back while placing your weight down on them. To make them tap you can lift their arm causing pain or go for the hair pull or eye gouge.

We also practice the large hip throw a.k.a. O Goshi. To finish this move we kept control of the arm, placed our knee down on the chest and immediately swung our legs over and ended it with an arm bar.

Thanks again Taison.

Posted by: Taison

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/16/06 11:12 PM

That's kinda funny. We do the O-goshi and then we land we go for the leg in old fashioned Achilles hold or knee-bar.

The good thing about your TKD and my Judo is that our arts emphasises on getting the throw in and following up with a lock. Many Judo-ka these day do the throw and don't follow up. Ok, we can argue we both do it for SD but, still, should ne-waza be an important aspect of Judo?

Today, master told me to be ready for some suplex action. He was getting the padded mats ready.

-Taison out

to suplexes

Posted by: Dereck

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/17/06 12:03 AM

Ne-Waza = Groundwork or Mat Techniques

I had to look that one up. To be honest Taison, if I was doing this for SD then I would have broken the arm against my knee as we learn in a lot of our techniques and one-steps. We have been taught these moves as well for SD but in this case on Thursday the arm bars/arm locks that we used were mostly for grappling purposes and really did not have anything to do with SD but sport and competition.

Should groundwork be important to Judo? Again it depends if you are training for SD or sport. It has its benefits for both but I would say yes, without a doubt.

Posted by: thepanda

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 02/17/06 04:30 AM

i like the wrist throw, very simple but it works a treat. The other day we were doing random attacks and my partner did an uppercut and i done something which was similar to aikido (which is wierd because i have never done aikido), our sensei said its all well and good doing a set move (straight arm lock from a round house, hip throw from back strangle, ect) but in a competition the judges would be looking for something different, thats why i did this aikido-esque move.

Posted by: wristtwister

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 03/11/06 01:09 AM

Taison, you might want to do some in depth study of O guruma since you like tai otoshi. If you "hit" O guruma correctly (proper entry) you have three choices of leg position for the throw... basic O guruma, drop it down and do ashi otoshi, or drop it to the mat and do tai otoshi. If they step over to counter it, they set themselves up for uchi mata.

Just a footnote from that old guy

who doesn't know anything about... whatever you want to call it...

Posted by: McSensei

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 03/11/06 12:48 PM

I'm fairly lucky where I live in the fact that I have an internationally recognised Judo club and an exceptional standard JJ club all within 5 minutes of where I live.
Unfortunately I have been doing neither long enough to know what my favourites are. However, certain techniques that I have come to enjoy using, learnt within my karate syllabus, are the body drop (tai otoshi??), inside reap (O uchi gari??), shoulder throw (ippon seoi nage??) and outer reap (O soto gari??). Favourite hold has got to be RNC.

Posted by: kicksomearse

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 08/17/06 08:53 PM

Any arm bar or wrist lock to gain a submission
Wrist throw
I wouldn't hesitate to use a choke hold in a life or death situation, but I won't use it in training
Hip throw is good against a light person

Posted by: Dudley32

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 08/20/06 04:40 PM

floating drop

triangle lock

guillitine

armbar

Matt

Posted by: migo

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 09/03/06 04:26 AM

Kimura, Americana, Top Wrist Lock, Double Wrist Lock, Keylock, Paintbrush are all Ude-Garami in Judo (although some of them aren't legal in current Judo competition because they attack the shoulder and not the elbow).

I don't really diferentiate between them, except in defense, since I can defend the Kimura (Tree-Down mentioned earlier) very easily and have almost no chance in defending the Americana (Tree-Up) once it's locked in.

My favourite Techinques are
1) Triange Choke (Sankakujime)
2) Straight Armbar (Jujigatame)
3) Elevator Sweep (no idea what it's called in Japanese)
4) Valley Drop (Taniotoshi) tied with hopping on the back
5) Bodylock takedown (Greco-Roman type move, sometimes with a trip)

Posted by: hugo

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 01/08/07 04:39 AM

Good choices friend. Believe it or not every one of those are on my list, excluding Yoko Gake.

My favourite moves would be.

1. Osotogari
2. Rear Naked Choke
3. Ogoshi
4. Jujigatame
5. A variant of Haraegoshi (which works wonders if people jump on your back)

Posted by: Stormdragon

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 01/08/07 02:35 PM

Head and arm variation of the guillotine from full guard.
My outer heel hook technique.
The Keylock.
Single Leg takedown.
Head and arm throw.

Posted by: kicksomearse

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 01/09/07 05:38 AM

Some of my favourite techniques (I don't know the names in Japanese):

Head throw
Wrist Throw
Broken wing throw
Sacrifice Throw

Posted by: hugo

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 01/12/07 06:51 PM

OK. I found that I was wrong about it being a variant of Haraegoshi. But I have no idea what the last throw on my list actually is. So I suppose that is the best way to give you some idea.

Posted by: Ronin1966

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 01/12/07 11:24 PM

Hello Taison:

Healthy Belly Laughter

???), my favorite technique. Learn to laugh at myself, laugh at the challenges and MEAN it... how will I be attacked..... scenerio:

"...Nope, you're right I am a jerk, completely wrong, you are RIGHT... my mistake.... nope I was dead stupid wrong..."

Long way to go before I learn this well enough...
Jeff

Posted by: Alan66

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 01/22/07 09:10 AM

Osoto Makikomi (Major Outer Wrap Around)
Morote Seinage (Two Arm Shoulder Throw)
Yoko Sankake Jime
Sode Gurame Jime
Gyaku Juji Gatme

Posted by: Taison

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 03/19/07 01:34 PM

Hmm..

Nagewaza
1) Osoto-gari and Osoto-guruma.
2) Seoi-otoshi
3) Koshi-guruma
4) Yoko-Otoshi
5) Uchi-mata

Katamewaza
1) Ashi-hishigi
2) Ude-garami
3) Jujigatame
4) Hiza-hishigi
5) Gyaku-hishigi (aka Orochi. It's when you hold someone in the head lock, you'll go down to the ground, while applying pressure to the neck, and at the same time get them into a guard and squeeze their ribs together and push outwards)
6) Hadaka-jime.

-Taison out

Posted by: ExCon

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 03/26/07 07:57 PM

My favorite Judo technique is osoto makikomi and soto makikomi. I consider these two throws really one throw with two different finishes. I get my tie-up for the throw and if his weight is back, its osoto makikomi, but if his weight is forward, its soto makikomi.

Judo purists will consider the above as heresy.

Posted by: ExCon

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 03/26/07 08:11 PM

Oh ya the reason that I like this throw so much is because one can really drive the guy hard into the ground with it. Just ask the Judo guys about makikomi throws.

Posted by: Taison

Re: Your Favorite Technique - 03/26/07 11:09 PM

I've always viewed the makikomi group (except uchimata makikomi) as a plan B.

I go for osoto-gari, it's blocked, I go for osoto-makikomi.

Never used them as a 'technique' per say.

-Taison out

Your Favorite Technique