UK Sword ban starts to impact

Posted by: seibukanUK

UK Sword ban starts to impact - 03/12/08 08:58 AM

The imminent UK sword ban seems to be starting to take effect.
Comments below are from a well known UK supplier.
HMG are not very forth coming with information, even at this late stage! I hope I don't need a new sword any time soon.

Due to the imminent UK sword ban, to take effect at the start of April 08, we are currently experiencing a difficult period with the supply of stock swords.

Exact details have yet to be released with regards to the details of the ban and of possible exemptions. As a result we are not able to risk importing new swords until the exact details have been released and clarified.

Sorry for this inconvenience. EU sales for custom Iaito will continue and we will have new stock available for EU clients in near future which will be held and dispatched from our European base of operations. If swords are allowed for UK customers these will be made immediately available.
Regards
Posted by: Dobbersky

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 03/12/08 10:27 AM

As a Karateka, I understand the concept of the sword arts in the ways of Tai Sabaki etc.

I was looking at taking up Iaido once I reach Sandan in my current style (A few years to go yet). What steps have been put in place for practitioners to purchase and hold them.

The thing is its the 'Hoodies' without any training which have caused the Ban. One thing that gets me is that the most common weapon used in assaults is a Kitchen Knife, but they're not banning those.

I hope I'll be able to purchase my Battle Ready Katana when I am ready to learn Iaido.

Osu

Posted by: seibukanUK

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 03/12/08 11:12 AM

Nothing in place yet. No need for you to worry about it just yet ;-) BTW, maybe better to start with a bokken not shinken.
Regards
Posted by: animematt

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 03/14/08 11:14 AM

Ah the UK. Banning everything cause they think it will make their "country" safe. How silly.
Posted by: iaibear

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 03/14/08 12:52 PM

Many starry-eyed idealists forget that when honest people are deprived of their weapons in the name of safety, only criminals will be armed.

Corollary: Where is a policeman when you need him?
Posted by: fileboy2002

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 03/15/08 06:39 PM

Here is a good tip: buy stock in companies that make bricks, barstools, and cricket bats.
Posted by: Ed_Morris

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 03/17/08 03:33 PM

thought this story today might be relavent to the thread:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/article3526955.ece

Quote:


New law on knives won't halt culture, says MP

Monday, March 17, 2008

Government plans to double jail sentences for being in possession of a knife may still not be enough to deter people from carrying the lethal weapons, it was warned today.

And with concern over the level of knife-related violence on the streets of Ulster remaining high, SDLP MP Eddie McGrady accused the Government of not moving quickly enough to introduce tough new laws to tackle the issue.

Policing and Justice Minister Paul Goggins has said he will shortly lay proposals before Parliament that will see the increase in penalties for the carrying, manufacturing and selling of knives in Northern Ireland to a maximum of four years in jail and an increase in the age at which knives can be purchased from 16 to 18.

However, Mr McGrady said it has been almost three years since the Government announced its commitment to devise a comprehensive strategy to deal with this issue and claimed that this is leaving Northern Ireland lagging behind the rest of the UK in relation to sentences for knife carrying offenders.

"Knife crimes are an alarming trend within our society. The latest reported figures for 2005-06 would indicate that approximately 1,200 knife related crimes were reported to police compared with 984 incidents the previous year," said Mr McGrady.

He added: "The culture of carrying knifes has become acceptable to many of our young people. Some see a knife as a status symbol or something that can protect them. However, the number of knife attacks and serious and fatal wounding tell us that knives are not a tool of protection but a deadly weapon."

Mr McGrady also warned that the proposed four year penalty is not enough of a deterrent.

He said: "While I welcome the progress being made by the Northern Ireland Office in this area, it is debatable if four years imprisonment is enough deterrent to those who would carry a knife with malicious intent, and how in fact will this law be policed and offenders detected.

"The community have a role to play in the detection of this crime and it is my hope that the decision by the NIO to introduce a four years prison term will encourage the community to co-operate with the police in the knowledge that this is a serious offence with serious consequences."

As part of the new proposals the Government is also drawing up a new offensive weapons list that will include Samurai swords. In addition, the authorities are examining how to develop a knife licensing scheme to regulate the sale of knives.

The new legislative proposals to tackle knife crime will increase jail sentences to 12 months for lesser convictions that can be dealt with by a magistrate. However, the sentence will rise to four years on indictment for having a knife or other weapon in public or on school premises.

Possession of an offensive weapon, including flick and gravity knives, push daggers, sword sticks, death stars, butterfly knives and banned martial arts implements are also covered by the proposals.



Posted by: iaibear

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 03/18/08 09:05 AM

We can only hope that one of these days the government will accept the idea that it is not the weapon but the user that should be punished or banned.

In the meantime let us hope meat served by licensed knife users will be tender enough to be cut with a spoon.
Posted by: bcihak

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 06/20/08 04:41 PM

The people in the U.K. need to take their country back from the liberals who control it. First the guns, then the swords and still they are not finished. Thought crimes come next. If you like freedom then you need to fight for it. Kick out the nut cases who want to control every aspect of peoples lives. Guns and swords are just the beginning, wait till crime continues to surge because innocent people cannot defend themselves. That is when the control freaks will really go nuts. Lets keep that silliness out of the states.
Thanks (I just finished the longer posting and it is obvious that the nuts are in charge. they banned guns and the criminals turned to knives. Come on. Dump these political fools or you won't be able to own a pen or pencil without a government permit.)
Posted by: fatguy

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 06/20/08 08:31 PM

maybe I dont know the UK govt. well enough but I dont think being liberal cause a ban on guns... I would assume less control from the govt would be a liberal move.. Are you referring to the house of Commons?


Politics aside have you guys in the UK been hit hard with this in terms of sword ownership/carrying? Has there been any improvement?
Posted by: bcihak

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 06/21/08 02:58 PM

I do not mean to get political, but we lost our school because of the liberals here in the states. In the states a liberal is someone who wants a very large central government that controls almost every aspect of a persons life. From health care to retirement to vacation time to what we can eat. They want to take all guns from the hands of private owners and would probably ban swords and knives if they could. That is why I referred to the sword and gun grabers in the U.K. as liberals. As to our school, the liberals on our supreme court sided with big government and it cost us our dojo. Their ruling on eminent domain, the taking of private property for public use, stated that local and the federal government could take private property from one person and give it to another if it would increase the tax base for the community. For example, if a private company wants to build a plant where homes stand, the local government can take the homes and sell them to the company under eminent domain. This was never what the founding fathers created eminent domain for. As far as our dojo went, the village of Palatine wanted to give the land our dojo was on to a toyota dealership. They wanted the increased tax revenue. It did not matter that that dojo was the life long dream of Fumio Toyota Sensei. They told the family, sell the property or have us take it by legal means. It was a beautiful dojo. So to say I'm a little sensitive about liberals is an understatement. I have seen what they are about to do to martial arts in the U.K. and many of the other socialist countries and it iritates me to no end. If you want the freedom to train in the martial arts or to be able to defend yourself and your family, you had better start dealing with politics at all levels of your government. It obviously will directly impact the sword arts. Thanks.
Posted by: Charles Mahan

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 06/21/08 05:33 PM

This is not an appropriate forum for politcal discussions. There are members of all political persuasions here and you should be careful to keep your opinions to yourself, because you never know who you might be offending.

If you wish to discuss political topics, please do so in a politically oriented forum.
Posted by: bcihak

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 06/21/08 06:38 PM

My apologies, I just get irritated when people start banning things. I will choose my comments more carefully next time. Thanks.
Posted by: seibukanUK

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 06/23/08 04:31 AM

Concessions have been made in the recent act for martial artists and historical reenactment.Most martial artists are satisfied with this, however, we seriously doubt that this act will have any impact on stabbings that the gov were hoping for.We would like nothing more than the rate of stabbings especially in London amongst teens to stop.
Posted by: bcihak

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 06/25/08 11:07 PM

I would not give in to the banning of swords on any level. As the number of stabbings go up, which they will, the need to "do something" will again put swords and other martial arts weapons in danger. If you want a very simple and easy solution to ending the stabbings here it is, give law abiding, trained citizens the right to carry concealed firearms and let them protect themselves. This works in the states in every city that gives it a try. Try reading John Lott's book, "More guns, less crime" or the study he did at the University of chicago that looked at crime statistics for every county in the United States. Crime against individuals went down with the awarding of concealed carry permits. You can get his study free of charge from the University. His book was based on this study.
Thanks
Posted by: Charles Mahan

Re: UK Sword ban starts to impact - 06/25/08 11:23 PM

Seriously. Enough with the politics. They are not welcome here. If you continue to push blatantly conservative issues that are largely irrelevant to the thread at hand, I will begin removing them. I understand you are trying to be helpful in some fashion, but there is a 0% chance that firearms will be legalized in Britain. Nor are second ammendmant issues relevant to the British Isles.