Posted by: Fletch1
Commercial Programs - 06/02/05 01:44 AM
How many of you have instructor level training & expereince in commercially available programs for LE or Security?
For example:
Royce Gracie's LEO Instructor course
Tony Blauer's SPEAR Instructor course
Monadnock Baton Instructor
PPCT Instructor
etc.
Posted by: ziggytkd
Re: Commercial Programs - 06/04/05 08:52 PM
Although I don' have any training in any of those, I want to become an instructor in PPCT. I think that its a good program from what i've seen, and it has stood the test of the law. Which in todays LE is important.
Posted by: loki
Re: Commercial Programs - 06/18/05 09:17 PM
Fletch: I have found that to many certifications may acctually go against a person in a court of law. In a self defense situation, using the level of force latter, a judge may find a student of the Bushi 'equipped' to handle the situation. Having said this, the judge sentence the student for exssecive force.
I have taken commercial courses, & have used variables letters in my name. (Shamefull I know) (But paranoid).
Most courses were not of the national level.
I have trained with the Late Sensei Shintani & many of his top students.
One of my instructors is now one or the only lisensed Renshi in North America.
Because of my unique approach, & looks I would always 'play' the bad guy in some of those commercial programs. I was the padded one they punched & kicked.
Kobun
Posted by: Fletch1
Re: Commercial Programs - 06/19/05 10:06 PM
Well, that is part of the responsibility you incur when you train. That being, when you have the knowledge and capability to control someone without injuring them, you are obligated to do so if another reasonable person with your training and experience would in the same circumstances.
Another responsibility you have is to be realistic in your estimate of your skills and educate people about what you can or cannot be expected to do in the unpredictable chaos of a fight.
Sometimes we are our own worst enemy when we brag about what we can do in training. People believe it and your reputation takes on a life of it's own.
Posted by: Fletch1
Re: Commercial Programs - 06/24/05 04:04 AM
My point exactly. The idea that what you practice in a dojo setting realistically represents what you will be able to do in a violent encounter is a strong motivator to train. It goes toward your confidence and belief that you can succeed and survive, if you "train" for it.
Somewhere along the line however, what you can do in training in a controlled environment became blurred with what you can reasonably be expected to do in the chaos of a violent encounter. Who is really to blame? The martial artists for perpetuating the myth that they can magically and safely disarm knife and gun wielding thugs, or the Judges and Juries that believe them and become convinced that such tactics are reasonable and rational, when your head is on the chopping block?
Another reason to avoid fantasy training.
The connection to commercial programs? Any "certification" should be weighed against a reasonable standard. A certification is not a guarantee and people who say otherwise are doing themselves, their students and their communities a great disservice.
Posted by: otobeawanker
Re: Commercial Programs - 07/02/05 08:44 AM
I've trained in the LEO ISR matrix and the Tony Blauer school.