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There must be a contest to see who puts the last video record of the arts out on the nets.

If we want to talk Crane, Matayoshi Shimpo is the man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=encHYcCQgxc&mode=related&search=

..just wait till the flood of 'channan' kata videos hit the market.

see, they've got smarter - since it's channan (a lost kata), people don't have anyone legitimate on film to compare to. When they made the crane videos, they only looked at an aging H. Soken and forgot about Matayoshi.

Hi Ed,

Of course in fairness, Matayoshi's crane lineage is different from Soken's.

As for Channan, there are already plenty of 'lost' kata cropping up everyplace. Kanazawa Sensei reportedly is selling video of an old Okinawan crane from he once studied.

The key for all kata is do they really express an underlying body usage to support the form. Many of the lost forms haven't come from sources where the instructor spent decades on the form themselves, and a large something remains lost, IMO.

I love watching Matayoshi. Thank you, Victor.

There is a saying, that Matayoshi was a 'quietly revered Goju man'. I see the little bits, here and there, of his family style, the crane stuff, and the more 'Chinese' style of Goju...and I think that he really 'knew'.

His father, Shinko Matayoshi was a good friend of Miyagi Chojun. They once did a dmonstration together for the Japanese crown prince I think.
Shinpo Matayoshi learned his hakutsuru kata (2) from Gokenki. His link with Goju is also with the dojo where he instructed when he returned from Japan to Okinawa. It was in the dojo of Seko Higa (student of Higashiaonna and of Miyagi, one on of the only 3 people to ever get a teaching licence from Miyagi concerning goju-ryu kenpo).
Matayoshi however has never thaught goju-ryu. There is refernce to the Matayoshi family karate style as kingai-ryu but I think this is only a partial story to their family style. His father learned in China a fighting style either from a man called Kingai or the style was nominated kingai in Chinese, do not know the exact story anymore.
There is a good DVD from 'rising sun productions' (www.risingsunproductions.net). The video extract at the start of this thread comes from there.

I know he thaught his hakutsuru to some students. My first kobudo teacher learned from Kenyu Chinen (lives in France) who learned from Matayoshi. Although I never realy studied the hakutsuru kata I remember that in the beginning sequence, the whipping open hand strikes were done with the fingertips, not in a nukite (spear hand) but in a rather loose way, like striking of the feathers of a wing. It is the ultimate soft technique.
When you look at the Alexander kata, it seems not soft enough.

cvv,

I'm in total agreement with you.

One of my friends, from Cambridge, Mass. USA, trained with Matayoshi Sensei and does a spectular Hakutsuru kata.

The Matayoshi empty hand arts are most definately from Chinese origins, for I've seen the video tapes you reference.

But I think his kobudo forms are more well known.

pleasantly,

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cvv,

I'm in total agreement with you.

One of my friends, from Cambridge, Mass. USA, trained with Matayoshi Sensei and does a spectular Hakutsuru kata.

The Matayoshi empty hand arts are most definately from Chinese origins, for I've seen the video tapes you reference.

But I think his kobudo forms are more well known.

pleasantly,

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Didn't Matayoshi's progenitor's train in Kingai-ryu, a "sister" style to Pangai Noon ryu? (That's what mark Bishop's book says, I think). Would there be a crane connection here?