kata apllication on the internet

Posted by: znra251

kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 08:43 AM

i'm creating an online resources site for karate students and have managed to get loads of good stuff on the performance and technical aspect of every major kata (except goju-ryu, they're a little more illusive). Have a look at the website www.karateonline.org some of the international footage is amazing, mottram especially.

my question, however, is does anyone know of good stuff on bunkai floating around anywhere. If you do please let me kn ow as a kata without bunkai explained may just as well be a dance.

thanks

gary

www.karateonline.org
Posted by: oldman

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 09:22 AM

http://proxy.ee.kent.ac.uk/~cpb2//Dentokan/Shorin_Ryu/

http://www.shotokankaratejutsu.com/katas.html

http://www.karate.org.yu/articles/48%20techniques%20part%201.htm

http://www.iainabernethy.com/default.htm

http://www.ryukyukempo.com/kata.html
Posted by: Gavin

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 10:25 AM

Quote:

http://www.karate.org.yu/articles/48%20techniques%20part%201.htm




These 48 moves is absolutely fantastic! Now tell me karate doesn't have grappling in it! Awesome, absolutely awesome!
Posted by: oldman

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 10:41 AM

Ok. Karate doesn't have grappling in it.
Posted by: Gavin

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 11:06 AM

The more I read your posts, the more I understand why you do so many cartoons! You silly man!
Posted by: oldman

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 12:07 PM

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Posted by: glad2bhere

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 12:37 PM

".....my question, however, is does anyone know of good stuff on bunkai floating around anywhere. If you do please let me kn ow as a kata without bunkai explained may just as well be a dance....."

I think I know what you are trying to say and I don't altogether disagree with you. However, there is a whole lot more to a true kata than just figuring out applications. Until Miyagi came along and coined the use of the term "bunkai" for analyzing katas in terms of practicality guidance in unfolding the various understandings regarding what kata are all about fell to the teacher-student relationship. Now, with all the media a lot of what used to be pretty well-protected material has become pretty well-known and basic MA fundamentals. All the same, the kata have a lot more to teach us than just better ways to bang heads.

Best Wishes,

Bruce
Posted by: oldman

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 12:47 PM

Bruce,
I agree there is more to it than the bunkai. I also find those benefits harder to articulate. Would you take a shot at presenting what those benefits are as you percieve them?
Posted by: Gavin

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 01:10 PM

Oh, now thats cool! You are one talented man my friend! I word of warning to the rest of the forum, never ever poke fun at an artist!
Posted by: oldman

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 01:23 PM

Gav,
I was tempted to draw your Dad but theres only a few thousand miles and an ocean between me and him. I may be silly but I'm not stupid.
Posted by: Gavin

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 01:27 PM

Yeah, I'd watch it mate coz his out in you're neck of the woods in October! On seconds do one, he laughed at mine....He's still getting the hang of these forums so he'll never know!
Posted by: oldman

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 03:58 PM

'ello Gov.

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Posted by: shoshinkan

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 05:12 PM

nice resemblance then....................
Posted by: glad2bhere

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/30/05 05:24 PM

I can give it a shot but it won't be an exhaustive list.

Lets start with the what we know and work backwards.

Certainly there is the technical aspect. This comes in two delicious flavors, concussive material (striking, kicking,blocking) and manipulative (redirection, subduing and throwing).

Moving back from WHAT a person does are the "HOW's. In this category are the manner in which techniques are done. A kata will often have odd little bits, seemingly pointless, sticking out around the edges. Often these are reminders to practice from a particularly unique vector or attitude.Also we dare not forget that though a nation can produce an art, there is always the matter tha different people will come up with alternate ways to accomplish the same thing. This is where one can get into stylistic differences.

Moving back yet again are the strategies. Most people are familiar with kata like "Bassai" and wonder at why some kata have such odd names. The names are often clues to the strategic or tactic approach one needs to take into consideration. For instance the idea or "theme" behind BASSAI ("to move from a position of disadvantage to advantage") is an art all in itself.

Moving back from strategy we come to philosophy. At this level a kata speaks to approach to the art or intention for training. For instance Itosu's development of the Pinan kata speaks to spoon feeding technical training to younger practitioners. Very different from the free forms of older training.In hand with philosophy are the health benefits. Best known are the TCC forms which are incredibly fine combat material when viewed through Chen TCC but also enhanced health exercises such as the Yang, Wu and Sun versions of the same material. BTW: For those who want to through Dim Mak into the mix I guess this would be the place to do it.

Lastly are the cultural bits such as breathing, poses, mudras, contemplation, dance, dress and so forth.

All of this stuff is just waiting there for people to discover it. All it takes is time and the desire to know more.

Best Wishes,

Bruce
Posted by: Gavin

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/31/05 07:26 AM

Muwhahhahahahah.....you fell right into my trap! *Switches to Kid from the Waltons mode* Now, I'm gonna tell pa!

My Daddy's gonna come over there and kick your a$$! Ner nicky ner ner!

hehehehehe...Thats cool oldman! If I ever get round to writing a book, can I comission you to do the artwork???
Posted by: jamesd

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/31/05 01:50 PM

Hi Oldman!

This picture is great but to achieve a true likeness you should've drawn Gavin's ears bigger! regards,

James.
Posted by: McSensei

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 08/31/05 05:49 PM

Is this the Jamesd I think it is?
If so, hello again.

G2BH,
Eloquently put.

Oldman,
I'm so glad you don't know what I look like.

Actually, I look like...
Posted by: Gavin

Re: kata apllication on the internet - 09/01/05 05:00 AM

Quote:

Is this the Jamesd I think it is?
If so, hello again.




Yes it is the Jamesd you think it is! I'll let him get away with this comment, after the jaw lock I put on him the other night......