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I Guess,when Osborne had gotten a non-resistant partner,It was he's chance to be a Grandiose instructor.

PS Congrats to Roy Osborne,For winning the most incompetent Instructor of the year award 2006.

Here it is a chance for the trifecta. 3 points to the first member who can tell me the name of the one of the man in the previous videos who has hit me. Part two of the question, was I knocked out?

It was Kyoshi Osborne, in the library, with a candlestick.

Dag-gone-it Ed ... you sank my battleship.

On another note ... wow ... when does the guy you continually gets thundered to the neck say enough is enough? He must not have much upstairs or he is acting!!!!

This sort of hits affect the nervous system; there has to be some long term damage. That's why people used to train on wooden dummies with marked points. Its the sign of the times. People are so used to Hollywood dramatics that a wooden dummy just wouldn't do it any more.

Dillman,& if it were Dillman,There's a 99.999999999999% that you were knocked out.

Nope not osborne or dillman. Though he did appear in a dillman book.

I don't wish to get into a flame war but hitting someone like that is plain dangerous from a TCM point of view and from a moral point of view as an instructor.

Tom Muncy? No?

noop.

Bruce Wayne?

I really hope you are kidding about the tournament crack. This is real karate and Kyoshi Osborne is one of the best martial artist around. I have been with him for 19 years and have never been injured. This is what karate on Okinawa used to be like

How many other styles have you trained in that you can compare his MA to real Okinawan Karate?

19 years huh? so you were probably around in the New Orleans days when he and others (perhaps yourself) used to give homeless guys a little money and some food in exchange for practicing on them!

This is NOT an example of true Okinawan Karate! It is an example of of an ignorant, mean little man's twisted interpretation of karate

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I have studied Isshinryu where I reached the level of san dan. I began training with Sensei Osborne when he first came to Michigan in 1987 and have been with him since. From your comments I can see that you are of the commercial karate groups and really have no idea of what true karate and it's applications are all about. You can say what you wish about the man I KNOW different. This in my opinion is just an example of basic commercial karate refusung to see and recignize that there is so much more to it that what they have learned and really wish to remain ignorant to what is really out there. For to do this they have to admit they really don't know much. I have seen this countless times over the years and I know of what I speak!!!!

John, you might want to do some research before you go around telling people what type of karate they study and what type of teaching/learning they do.

They video in question has been removed from youtube, but it was of Mr. Osbourne very violently knocking a student out/to the ground multiple time and in rapid succession. Are you of the mind that this is how karate is to be trained? Do you think that this would cause permanent damage?

Welcome to the boards. Play nice.

I responded the way I did because these people saw a segment of a video and began to make judgements about a man they clearly know nothing about. The tape was done as a demonstration and does not reflect the practices of daily training. I was even the uke for Sensei Osborne's Naihanchi tape. It was a long and painful day but I suffered no ill or lasting effect. When these techniques are done properly there is no ill effect. And believe me Sensei Osborne was not hitting any where nearly as hard as he could have. You have to understand what is going on physiologically to appreciate how these techniques work. Through Sensei osborne I have learned what he calls Okinawan medicine. This includes herbal remedies as well as a type of massage to ensure there is no lasting effect and to help heal injuries. Not being one who simply takes someone's word for things I have researched this quite extensively with medical proffesionals ranging from chiropractors to nuerologists and surgeons. I do know what I am talking about. These tapes you see are not what transpires on a regular basis in Sensei Osborne's class. In regards to the brutality that some have commented on Sensei Osborne took a lot worse when he was training in Okinawa than what he dishes out. You said I should research things before making comments OK fine but that also goes to the one's that are making judgements on Sensei Osborne while viewing a few minutes of a film. You too should find out what you are talking about before making such comments.

I saw enough from that video to make up my mind. I stand by my comments.

Let me be perfectly clear about a few things:

1. My opinions regarding Roy were formed long before you-tube existed. They were formed during first hand, personal experience. I too have video (approxiamtely 12 hours worth) of Roy. Much of it I filmed myself.

2. Defense of your Sensei is admirable, and expected. Especially against attacks from a bunch of unknowns. However, please bear this in mind: Roy has been around a long time. There are people that know him!

3. My Karate has been called alot of things over the years. "Commercial" has never been one of them.

Regards,

Christian Page

As I have said I studied Isshinryu for quite a number of years, a little TKD as well as Okinawan Kempo. Through Sensei Osborne I have studied Shorinjiryu, a little Matsumura Seiti as well as some white crane. I have attended seminars with Joe Lewis, as well as seminars sponsored by USKA under master Trias. I even studied Toyamaryu Iado with Sensei John Viol.

As far as who is Roy Osborne I will tell you. He trained with Fusei Kise in Shorinjiryu before Kise started teaching the crap he does today. He also trained with Hohan Soken, Senseo Oyata, Kanei Uechi and others whos names I do not remember right now. Sensei Osborne has been training in the marial arts for about 54 years now. I really hope that you are not making a judgement on Sensei osborne' karate, ability and knowledge based on a few minutes of a tape. There is much more that just Kyusho points and his karate is not solely based on them. As far as Me I know where I have been, where I am and where I am going. As far as Sensei Osborne, he has seen the posts here and his response is " they do not know the ways of Shorinji". Have whatever opinions you wish I know where the truth lays and am very happy with what I am doing, Best of luck to you.

Well, as long as you're happy to accept your truth...

I'm glad to hear that you did try other martial arts systems and continue to. Have you ever trained in Okinawa? If not, if you come across an opportunity to do so you should. I hear it's quite an interesting place.

john,

As I started this thread sharing some video clips, I think your question, "I really hope that you are not making a judgement on Sensei osborne' karate, ability and knowledge based on a few minutes of a tape.", can best be framed in that the issue isn't about his ability or knowledge, it's about his judgment. Performing multiple stikes to the carotid sinus on the same un-resisting individual.

I truly hope he is as knowledgeable as you suggest.

It's just that what was demonstrated is not sound use of technique, from a medical and a moral perspective. I fully understand Unsu's comments, they are echoed by a surgeon in my group. I understand there is a theory that there is no harm in using the carotid sinus strike in training. Unfortunately some of us do not hold that as true.

If that is a requisite of his advanced study, there then is a question about it's value.

After all nobody here made him prove what happens when a neck is repeated struck, many of us are well aware of what happens from such impact.

Unsu,

You really know your stuff and that pi$$e$ me off!!