On Kata
"On Kata" is reader feedback column
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structure, strategy and application.
Do you have a good application for this kata move
seen in Pinan three (Heian) and several other forms?
In the beginning of Pinan (Heian) three there is a
combination of what many interpret to be a right upper
and left lower block, followed by a left upper and
right lower block.
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Regarding the form you call pinan three, (I study
Tang Sood Do, we call it peigan, but it looks similar.)
I was taught that move is effective against a choke.
The arm that starts high snakes outside and over the
attacker's arm. The other does an inside-outside block
to the other arm. Twisting the torso before then executing
this movement will break most two-handed chokes, from
an attacker in front of you. The follow-up could be
a strike to the nose and groin.
Just a possibility that one of my instructors recommended,
feel free to comment.
Bryon Harvey
Hello. I am a student of Kung Fu, and of course,
my ideas of the application may not be the one's that
the creators of the kata had in mind. Let us begin.
Opponent throws a left front, side or a roundhouse
kick to the midsection. With your right hand execute
a downward block as you raise your left arm to protect
the upper gate. As you execute a block, extend your
wrist and hook the opponents foot under an ankle.
Now reverse the motion with his leg hooked. Rising
your left arm that has his leg hooked you unbalance
him and turn him, exposing the side of his knee...
It is on the side of his knee where you smash you
right downward backfist.
Result: damage knee, probably crippled opponent and
you winning the fight.
Dmitry
I see a few different types of applications for this
kata, but here is a couple simple ones.
1. Attacker grabs your wrists. The first maneuver
is to break free of the attackers grab. Then immediately
double strike the opposite way, hitting Gall bladder
24 (point on about 2 inches from the belly button)
and stomach 9.(point on the front of the neck and
inch from the wind pipe)
2. Attacker Round house kicks (Right leg kicks for
this example) you from the side. First double block,
left hand high, blocking the attackers kick and also
it helps absorbing the blow. Then with the left arm
grab kick, wrapping arm around leg, also stepping
in augmented striking downward on stomach 5. (which
is about ? inch from the side of the nose where the
cheek and the top of the mouth meet.)
Thanks,
John Pappas
Homman Karate
Crown Point, In.
Another application for the tech, could be to catch
a round house kick with the upper arm and torking
into a 45 degree pivot while breaking the knee by
thusting down with the lower arm.
Trent Thurlkill (aka Papasan)
In my dojo we are told that this can be used when
an attacker is coming in with a kick, you block gedan
bari with the lower arm and the upper arm is then
used as an uraken uchi to the attackers face
I learned this waza as part of a Korean form (Po-Eun)
as well as Naihanchi. Strikes and blocks are obvious
interpretations, including pressure point applications,
but the movement could also represent a more basic
self-defense (aiki-jujitsu) move as well.
The end of the move depicted could show a side-by-side
(both defender and attacker facing in same direction,
next to each other) arm bar. The form shows you can
do this move on both sides.
The defender's lower hand is grabbing the attacker's
wrist, while the defender's upper hand is grabbing
and securing the attacker's upper arm/shoulder area.
Torque is applied to the attacker's tendon tricep
area on the trapped arm, by the defender's pulling
back with his own lower hand (which is restraining
the attacker's wrist), while expanding his chest
(breathing in and flexing or moving your pectoral/shoulder
area) into the attacker's tendon tricep area (above
the attacher's elbow). The defender's upper hand is
stablizing the attacker's shoulder area so he cannot
move to reduce the stress on his arm.
I say side-by-side, because here the attacker is
next to you for this move.
If I may,
I am not a traditionalist by any means, so I do not
know the forms that you are discussing, specifically.
I am a Kenpo stylist and a jujitsu practitioner. Here
are my interpretations for the described technique.
I see this technique being applicable in a variety
of scenarios, right or left punch, right/left punch
or several combinations thereof. Lapel grabs, Pushes,
kick defenses, and with slight modifications - bear
hugs (arms locked and unlocked).
Lapel grab - Depending on how your hands cross over
in front of your body you can apply either, A) an
arm break, if the hand that is lowering is on the
inside and the hand that is rising is on the outside
- drive the hand that is in the upper position straight
down as you raise your opposite hand in a circular
manner, breaking the elbow. Note: a left handed lapel
grab your left hand must be the one rising to effect
the breaking of the elbow joint. B) For a left-handed
lapel grab also (just so we can stay on the same page).
As your right hand come down from it position, it
will travel on the outside of your left hand. Your
right forearm will come down onto, slightly to the
side of, the elbow joint. This will happen at the
same time as your left hand rises to "catch"
your attackers wrist. Applying a figure-four lock
as you step forward for the takedown. Note: if takedown
is being resisted apply a right elbow to the nose
of the attacker that should help.
2) Right/Left Punch defense - Lets start by saying
that you have affectively blocked your attacker right
punch, now you realize that your right hand is doing
nothing to help you, so you land a hammer fist to
the groin. As you are rocking his twigs and berries
he throws a left punch. As you cross your left hand
over to execute a right outward block, you deliver
a hammer fist to his nose. Connecting your left hand
to his left arm just before you use your outward block,
making it a left inward right outward block. Grabbing
his left wrist with your right hand, your left hand
goes down once more to the very sensitive area.
These are but some of what I can think of for this
technique, if I were to write them all it would take
two days (I type slowly, peck, peck, peck). Train
hard and have fun.
Fred C. O'Keefe
Hi there
Most of your respondents have talked about lapel
grabs. What about a middle level block using the uchi
uke, and the gedan barai being a strike to the groin
(possibly using the gedan barai motion as a tetsui
hammer fist).
By using the right hand for the block of a right
handed punch (such as oie zuki) you can put yourself
in a position to take down your opponent after a groin
stike, chest strike or even raise it to a strike to
the neck, nose or temple. Knee in the back of the
opponents knee or ashi barai.
Gary (Sunderland UK)
2nd Dan Shotokan
I see that You ask for a good application for the
first characteristic movements for Pinan Sandan. My
interpretation would be for an Oi-tzuki,Nidan-tzuki
attack. The defensive movement for these attacks would
be: first an outer block(soto-uke), next double morote-uke
(similar to the one in Naihanchi Shodan) executed
in the way that the higher block is an outer-block,
the lower block is Tetsui (hammer-fist punch) on the
floating ribs. I think it might be a good interpretation
:).
Arigato,
Michael
Dear Sirs,
Regarding the opening application (bunkai) that you
mentioned on your web site please allow me to explain
our interpretation. Words to define these moves are
quite difficult. Perhaps, if you would like, we can
scan some photos to you, a picture paints a thousand
words?
The defensive application we use is for an opponent
to seize the lapel, (single grasp). With the thumb
knuckle of one hand, coming upwards, the tricep tendon
is struck. A specific pressure point can be inpacted
as well. Simultaneously the other arm is brought down
to buckle the opponent's arm, with the feet turning
very slightly (the only difference from the original
kata) the arms' position is reversed to put the opponent's
grasping arm into a rear arm lock. I hope this is
of some help for you.
The application above was influenced to me by Patrick
McCarthy
Regards
Albuie O'Connor
Yudansha UK
A good application of this movement, is when someone
grabs you with a single lapel grab. Simply strike
Sp12 & Li12 in the inguinal crease (in the fold
of the leg) with the 'low block', this will a) push
his butt backward and b) will bring his head down
but with his chin up.
Then (near enough) simultaneously strike to ST5 on
the side of the jaw to put him in lala land (This
is sore!)
'Train Hard, Fight Easy'
Bayang
One application for this sets of moves could be a grappling
technique. One hand "catches" a kick, perhaps
at the calf or knee level, the other hand grabs person
or clothing high on the body trunk - shoulder level
or above. The higher hand pulls downward (in a circular
fashion), the other hand (containing the leg) raises
upward, also in a circular fashion. The result is a
throw - off balancing the opponent, and throwing to
the ground.
A variation would be a block to a kick/punch combination,
then moving into the technique mentioned above.
Ron van de Sandt
In kumite, this move is used to block a U-punch.
One of the applications that we use for this movement
is for a defense against a lapel grab. The aggressor
can grab with either arm - let's go with a right hand
grab to the left lapel. the defender will use their
left arm for the downward motion and their right arm
for the upward motion. The downward motion uses the
pinky finger knuckle or the wrist bone to strike the
wrist area (pick a point that looks vulnerable as
they may vary somewhat depending upon the actual grip
used to grab the lapel) of the aggressor. the upward
motion hand will hit the inside/bottom side (heart
meridian) of the aggressors upper arm (ouch - that
hurts). As the downward arm goes down, it sticks the
aggressors wrist during the transition to an upward
motion. Since the aggressor is now thinking about
the pain they are experiencing in their arm versus
continuing the attack the defender can apply the arm
bar that shows up - or not.
There's a bit more to it than this but this describes
the basics of it
fairly well.
From someone with a good instructor
To start with, look at the "middle block"
could be a strike to the temple (of course, the "block
would need to be moved up several inches). A similar
strike is shown in the Gojuryu Kobudo kata for Chizi
kun Bo.
Second, the "low block" could be a strike
the nerve on the inner thigh.
Just my thoughts . . .
Cody Stephens
One possibility could be that an attacker attempts
to grab you with both hands.You defend by going over
his one arm as you "block" low. Your other
hand hits his from under as you create what appears
to be a middle block. Now counter attack immediately
by switching your hand positions. Your low blocking
hand is now coming up as a backfist or upper cut.
The chest blocking hand now strikes down toward the
belly or groin. ...Or so it seems...
Just a warrior rambling
You perform the double movement after a middle level
block. Your opponent has grabbed your wrist. You step
up and strike the back of his elbow with your right
arm while driving your grabbed hand downward. You
then perform a back fist to his temple with the other
hand doing a dropping punch to his stomach. Repeat
on other side
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